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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why doesn’t GNR monetize their past tours more? » 112 weeks ago
It’s well known I’m a Stones fan.
The Stones have had several lineups and pretty much all have been represented in official releases of the band on film at various concerts or tours.Eg Ireland 1965, Rock N’ Roll Circus 1968, Hyde Park 1969, Altamont 1969, Ladies and Gentlemen 1972, concert films for 1981 and 1982, and 1990 as well, and so on. You basically get a great overview of every lineup at various points
GN’R have only released three live concerts in full, Tokyo 1992, the 2012 show and now the Ritz 1991
But as we all know there were hundreds of shows between 1986 and 1993 alone, plus shows like the Joint 2001, House of Blues, and shows with the 2002-2014 lineups and the semi reunion lineup
That said, why don’t GNR release more live concerts on film? It would be an easy way for them to make money, and nice for us as well
they taped all the UYI shows IIRC
its bc their management is a house keeper and pool boy
The one should I'd love to have in pristine quality is that Inglewood CA show that was their longest show ever until that Toyko one in 2009.
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Should “Ain’t it Fun” have been on the UYIs? » 112 weeks ago
No the UYIs already had two covers didn't need a 3rd. Also what song from the UYIs would you take off? it would have to be one of the 5 minute songs.
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » SOG single coming? » 112 weeks ago
James wrote:Bands like U2, Metallica,,etc go years between albums but fans actually get various releases on a regular basis. It's why their fan bases aren't jaded to the extent of GNR's.
It's not even just getting various releases and extras on a regular basis. They also don't bullshit their fans all the time.
They don't talk about songs, new albums, "the second half" or "second part of their trilogy" for a decade plus. They get asked questions like "Hey what about a new record?" and either say "Yeah, working on that" or "Not right now, not at the moment, haven't started thinking about that yet". And when they do say they're working on it, that usually means it's anywhere from weeks to max 3 years away, and they deliver it.
GN'R is the only band I know that blue balls their fanbase like this. If any of those bands you mentioned had said what Slash said earlier this year about new songs this June/July and it didn't happen, then one member would have popped up in an interview by now, been asked about it, and given an update. Not GN'R though. Just a silent PR machine that says nothing now.
I'll say this for the CD years, it was at least exciting to read things about what was happening and get occasional updates from members even if it didn't pan out. The near total silence approach that now happens is worse. It's almost like 03-04 era but at least then there was still reports about what was happening and occasional interviews with folk who had worked on the record.
The only reason why those 99-08 years were interesting is because stuff slowly leaked out every couple of years. In 1999 Oh My God was released officially released the only official new song until 08, but in 2001 we had the live songs from HOB and Rio, then in 2002 those same songs but got good soundboard versions of them. then from 2003-2006 is when most of those songs leaked out like IRS, TWAT, then CITR, and the rest. We got something new every couple of years.
Then after CD dropped which was pretty much all the songs that leaked and like two more, there was nothing until a couple of years ago with the locker songs. And most of those were just Alt takes of CD songs with a few new songs with vocals then a bunch of instrumentals.
The most fun time was that week or two where those cds slowly leaked out. But the funniest thing about this joke of a band is the fans have released more songs than GNR has.
And dont think for a second if Hard School never leaked out that we would have gotten that single. Even the current version of Abusrd leaked out with the Ron version which is pretty much the same as the current version just with Slash and Duff.
So in typical faction, their two "new" singles were just songs that leaked out.
And if will be even more of a joke if the next singles are Atlas and perhaps.
#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » UYI Box tracklist unveiled? » 113 weeks ago
The biggest sticking point, as always, seems to be "why no new album?" Frankly I think that's coloured by the leaks – if Hard Skool had dropped and we'd never heard the leak, fans would've been over the fucking moon – an all-new hard rock song with Slash and Duff on it. The fact that we're all aware the new material being released is reheated Chinese leftovers colours our response to it, but it's still new studio material, it's new to the vast majority of the public, and by the looks of it there's an EP about to drop.
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This is simply not true since 99% of GNR fans never heard the hard school leak and thought Hard Skool sucked. It also got like zero radio play bc again it sucked. No one cared.
Also if it wasn't for the leaks then GNR would have released no music and we would not have heard anything.
The only reason why CD was released is bc the leaks forced the album out.
Only reason why we got hard skool as a single is bc it leaked, same goes for absurd.
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hard Skool: Does it date from ‘96? » 114 weeks ago
Tommy was pretty much responsible for bullying Bucket out of the band too. That Brain interview where he talks about how upset Bucket was that they wouldn’t release the album is just sad, man. He was definitely into it and just wanted the album released.
Yeah I cant imagine how frustrated BH must have been, at that point in his career he was putting out about one album per year, in 2002 I think he had like three come out, so in the time he was in GNR, he put out like 9 albums and GNR couldn't even put out one. im sure BH also wanted to play all the CD songs he was on instead of covering all those AFD songs.
Its a shame we never got to hear BH play TWAT live.
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » If CD came out in 2000, 2001 or 2002? » 114 weeks ago
It would have done better than it did in 2008, probably would a have sold like 3m copies.
#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hard Skool: Does it date from ‘96? » 114 weeks ago
Blackstar wrote:James wrote:The 2006 info mentions Duff doing rehearsals, he can't learn all the songs quick enough, so he exits stage left and Tommy is brought back after being fired.
Does anyone still have that 105 page PDF that the Chairman leaked? That's where the info came from.
Word to the wise...
Never delete any leaks because you never know when you might want a second look.
When looking through the list on metal sludge, I got a laugh out of this...
085. August 2009 Dizzy email begging for update from Beta
Edit
We had a thread on it here but it's mostly just people asking for PMs...
Thanks! Yeah,I remember downloading that pdf document and reading through it, so I have it somewhere. But I take all this "insider" information with a big grain of salt...
Yeah me too...but like Axl S mentioned above..a lot of the info wound up being true.
In hindsight it's not surprising. Various band members (among others) were frustrated with the situation. Hell...they were kept so far out of the GNR loop they would sometimes ask forum members/insiders for info!
People in such circumstances are likely to start talking at some point. Sometimes band members say things that are more revealing than they appear on the surface. A good example is when Dizzy went to that frat party in early 2006 a month or two before the leaks/Hammerstein. He was asked the last time the band had been together. This was asked expecting a tidbit of info on whether they were about to tour(no one knew at the time) or an album update.
His answer?
2002.
This is revealing for obvious reasons...
- The "hard at work on Chinese Democracy 24/7" myth has now been shattered.
- If they haven't been together for four years...what in the hell have they been doing?
- With that little contact with the GNR camp, can any of their past or current updates (at the time) be trusted?
- If something is going on, would they even know?
Pretty interesting info to learn thanks to a simple answer from a drunk Dizzy to a frat boy.
Had the leaks not happened however many weeks after this, it would've become a much bigger deal than the mere footnote of 2006 it became.
Pretty sure Duff was in the “new lineup” even before the reunion.
Yeah...a few shows during the Ashba years. What a waste. I'd love to have known his honest feelings on that lineup. He had one reason to be involved...as the bridge between Axl and Slash.
I'd love to see the alternate timeline where
Duff learns the songs in 2006 and Tommy doesn't come back...no offense to Tommy.Regardless of what happened or any tension with Slash, this allows a speed run towards the reunion.
Imagine opening night at Hammerstein when everyone is speculating on who it's going to be...
Axl, Duff, and Izzy are onstage. Only thing standing in the way of a reunion is Finck..and he tires of it and is gone in a year...maybe quicker in this scenario. Bumblefoot too but it's easy peasy to drop the 3rd guitarist slot.
Tommy was the leader of all those versions of GNR
he was the one running the whole show
you can especially hear it if you listen to the in-ear monitor sound boards
#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » SOG single coming? » 114 weeks ago
Rock in Rio was a disaster.
They need to release a fuckin single,
to try and get people interested again.Another year or two of nothingness and the forums will be ghost towns.
Actually fuck the "singles" idea, and just release the album.
Clear the deck, maybe it will open the band up to New Music,
if Axl can still sing enough to record studio vocals.So much time wasted,
They should have released Chin Dem II,
and New album by now
Crazy thing is almost as much time as passed between TSI and CD as CD to now.
How insane is it that its been 14 years (pun) since CD was released.
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hard Skool: Does it date from ‘96? » 114 weeks ago
The fact they used a hybrid logo to promote the tour and the fact they didn’t announce BBF as part of the act leads me to believe at least Slash was close to rejoining.
Axl was still trying to get BH back up until like a week before that show
#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hard Skool: Does it date from ‘96? » 118 weeks ago
There was not even a hint of a reunion in 2006. It was very anti Slash that year. I think Merc had a plan of a 3 album release then to reform the band for some anniversary later on. Pipe dreams
What was the year that Slash went to Axls house and Axl didnt get the door? that wasnt 2006? was that like 04 then?
