Bill Brasky wrote:

Ides of March is Circus Maximus

'Ides of March' was a working title of one of the songs that came from a loop name that Dizzy came up with: I think they kept the name, but it's been years so I'm sure everything has changed by now." (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)

To quote Wasted regarding circus maximus"Would you say this has a Dizzy Loop on it?"

Yeah .. I doubt Ides of March is Nothing. Seems like a huge stretch.

On the other hand, they seemed to have a fetish for constantly changing working titles...and if there was a brief attempt at sticking to a particular theme, it's possible Ides and Circus were two different songs.

How the hell does Oklahoma morph into Berlin? What's the connection?

Look at Seven.... God only knows what that really is. Devious Bastards has a clip of the Mercury 7 astronauts.

Coincidence?  Did they scrap this song.... obviously a Bucket song ...but reuse that clip for Seven?

There's very little rhyme or reason to any of it unfortunately.

I know one thing.....the CD leftovers and the Village leaks show us that just because a song title appears to be epic doesn't make it so...even if described as such eons ago. A song that might have been epic couldn't be because it was simply abandoned/relegated to the "B list".

Blackstar wrote:

Bill Brasky wrote:

Izzy wasn't credit on Velvet Revolver's Contraband and we know he contributed to it, Also that Scott Weiland is credited as writing all the vocals on Contraband.

I wrote Duff has the dat tapes you above wrote he maybe has them but then brought up how his management team got them back in 2019 so I'm confused on what you're saying ?

I'm saying that maybe Duff has that particular DAT with Down By The Ocean but we can't be sure of that, because he had apparently lost some of the other DATs from the same sessions that were found in that storage space, which may be an indication that he hadn't kept any of those tapes.

I'm also saying that regardless of whether Duff has that DAT or not, Down By The Ocean might not even be from those sessions.

But let's say that Duff has the dats. How would that be related to Nothing being Down By The Ocean?

Well if it was co written by Duff it's more likely to be used by Axl since Duff is a member in gnr and the partnership.
Giving Izzy money for his contributions or just reworking the song from Izzy parts would eliminate his writing credentials no ?

How is Monsters Soul Monster ?
I don't believe it is but since it's named Monsters and a lyric has the word Soul in it it must be Soul Monster according to your pal Soulmonster and the mygnr folks correct ?

Btw i have proven Marco Beltrami memory on what songs he worked not to be reliable if you were planning going down that route i can happily direct you or copy paste the information here.

Well Nothin' has the line Down By The Sea in the song isn't that the same criteria ?

Did you know in Webster's dictionary Monstrosity literally means Monster in the english language ?

Or that Guns N' Roses had 2 songs back to back on uyi 1 with garden in it !
Track 11 The Garden  Track 12 Garden Of Eden. To quote Johnny Carson...Wild Stuff ! ( that's for you James)

I was told by a source a week ago Nothin'  was Down By The Ocean and until Sp1at who i respect and i know is reputable said it wasn't it was making sense to me.

Is that fair, can you see it from my perspective ?

I'm not 100% right and have been wrong with information but people forget who first told them about Children Of The Revolution and many other things.

Btw in hindsight doesn't seem like Nothin' and Atlas were supposed to be released on June 6th 2025 to support the tour and on the 40th anniversary of gnr first show ?