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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » Steven Wilson speaks about his unused work on UYI boxset » 10 days ago
He was commissioned to remaster UYI in an Atmos mix. It's like a spacious 3d audio thing that some people swear by, It's been quite popular with prog records that have been remastered this way. for some it results is better separation of instruments and layers, it's hard to describe, I prefer stereo myself. Anyway this was meant to be included in the UYI boxset and wasn't except for November Rain.
#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Steven Wilson speaks about his unused work on UYI boxset » 10 days ago
On an unrelated note, I don't really want to make a thread for this, and it's not like I was looking for it but.........
Remember how shacklers Revenge was inspired in part by the Virginia Tech shooting incident?
Axl said in the forum chats something about the shooters affinity for MR Brownstone and the media trying to draw a connection to it. Well the shooter (who killed 32 people) wrote a play called Mr Brownstone. I now have a copy of that script or screen play or however you want to phrase it, feels a bit weird putting a link to it on a gnr forum so i'm not going to, but if anyone want's to read it PM me
its weird as fuck.
#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Steven Wilson speaks about his unused work on UYI boxset » 10 days ago
I think I worked on about 40 songs, including outtakes, B-sides, and God knows what else
This is why GNR are absolutely nuts, this guy worked on 40 songs, none of which we’ll ever get to hear.
Seems to be the one constant with this bloody band - existing songs that we will never hear.
30 from the records leaving 10 from outtakes and B-sides. I know there were live tunes as B-Sides but also the 'Wake up its time to play' version of Shadow was on the Live & Let Die single & I'd imagine probably a remastered version of 'Axls Advance Copy' of I Ain't Goin Down. But given there were a few things on the AFD boxset we didn't really know about you gotta wonder what else he remastered, possibly something we have never even heard of.
#4 Guns N' Roses » Steven Wilson speaks about his unused work on UYI boxset » 10 days ago
- Shacklermyrye
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“Well, the challenges were the band didn’t like what I was doing,” Wilson admitted (via Blabbermouth). “That came through the record company, and I did it all, and then the band basically vetoed it all. So the only thing that ever came out was my remix of ‘November Rain’, with a real orchestra added.”
It wasn’t a case of poor craftsmanship, but more of a philosophical clash over the sound itself.
“And that was a shame, ’cause that’s a lot of music on those records — I think I worked on about 40 songs, including outtakes, B-sides, and God knows what else. And then the band basically turned around and decided they didn’t like it. They didn’t like [Dolby] Atmos, they didn’t like the idea of their music being in spatial audio. So that project is kind of just sitting on my hard drive, unreleased and unheard. It’s such a shame. Amazing, amazing records. Amazing records. But yes, a shame in a way that it got sort of bogged down in band politics and God knows what else.”
For fans hoping for a sneak listen through back channels, don’t count on it. Wilson says his circle isn’t exactly clamoring for those remixes.
“Well, to be honest, no, because … we didn’t grow up with Guns N’ Roses,” he explained when asked if friends ever ask to hear the unreleased mixes. “Guns N’ Roses was kind of the next generation. I grew up in the ’80s, so the bands all my sort of generation were listening to were The Smiths, The Cure. If it were metal, it would’ve been Metallica. It wouldn’t have been Guns N’ Roses. It would’ve been [Metallica‘s] Master Of Puppets from ’85 rather than [Guns N’ Roses‘] Appetite For Destruction from ’89. So I just missed that generation, yeah. I just missed that generation.”
Still, the studio occasionally turns into a time machine when friends visit.
“But yeah, sometimes people, friends come over and I bring them into the studio and I’ll blast them with some… I say, ‘What music did you grow up with?’ And I’ve usually got something, I’ve usually got something I’ve worked on, which they’ll remember from their childhood, I can blow their mind [with].”
The only piece of his Guns N’ Roses work that made it to fans was a newly orchestrated version of “November Rain,” released in 2022 as part of the Use Your Illusion box set. The lush arrangement featured a 50-piece orchestra under the direction of composer Christopher Lennertz.
As Wilson explained in a Facebook post at the time, “The new 2022 version is the same performance as the original, and mixed faithfully to the established version, but with newly recorded orchestration replacing the sampled sounds used at the time.”
Though the rest of the project remains locked away, it’s clear that Wilson approached it with care and respect. Whether or not those remixes ever surface may depend less on technology and more on the ever-complicated dynamics of legacy and artistic control.
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/news/ … ard-drive/
#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect » 12 days ago
I don't remember that version of Bad Apples either. Weird.
I had forgotten about how much Sentimental Movie sucked. Same with Too Much. That's literal bottom of the barrel shit right there.
Why are Move to the City and Jungle on this? Did they briefly consider rerecording these for UYI?!?
I believe these compilation tapes are one's people had floating around back then, it's not like these are direct 'Axl Advance copies' type things. They seem to mostly be (not including UYI promo) tapes that fans had with demos on. So in the minus column that means they obviously have things that we all know but in the plus column is it means they are lifted from a different source/tape and in some instances may be better quality than versions normally shared online.
I try to keep an eye on this stuff as I know there are Arkeen tapes out there he floated to record labels, and there are still songs we don't have from those.
As far as Bad Apples goes even Zombux hasn't heard that version and he would know better than most if it had been out there before
#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bad Apples was meant to be on Live Era » 12 days ago
It was great becasue I got to meet all the guys again. Slash was responsible for most of the work on the album. He and Axl worked the hardest. Stevie, Izzy and the others were all involved in one way or another.
Is this confirmation they were actually working on this together at some point?!? If memory serves me correctly, the previous story has Axl and Slash working separately.
As you know, I believe we got much closer to a reunion several points in the Chinese timeline.
The Live Era timeframe may be the first...or was the first domino to fall anyways on the path to it.
It's unfortunate they had to ruin Live Era. I wish the label had made them go back to the drawing board or simply not released it at the time.
As far as Bad Apples being excluded, there was no way to get a perfect track list to please both hardcores and casuals. We're damn lucky Dust N Bones was included...the best track on there IMO.
From what I recall they were working separate and Del was the bridge between them, he was also tasked with going through all the old tapes to find performances that were useable.
Funny that you picked up on the same part I did though & wouldn't surprise me if we learn more about this someday
This is the only real 'evidence' I found that indicates they may have 'met' back then. But there have been signs over the years I think that it could have happened.
Remember Duffs story about just happening to be in the same hotel & across the hall as Axl in (2010/2014)? There was a interview I think in 2016 where Axl said something like 'He just happened to be there, I don't know what I think about that' indicating that he doubted it was an accident I think.
Not a conspiracy theorist but If he doubted it was an accident meeting then maybe it could possibly be because he had prior knowledge that they had been dishonest about meeting before?
Put it this way, if word got out in 1999 that they had met or even had contact (phone/email) in working toward Live Era then the entire media narrative shifts away from where Axl would want it. It would give more potential creedence to reunion rumours and essentially cut off newgnr at the knees, Newgnr members and Axl and Slash/Duff would get hounded more about a reunion than they already were and this was in a time when coverage in media was far more than it would be now. If they did meet or have direct contact I'm not surprised they didn't scream it from the rooftops. Or it could just be a clumsily worded post from Duff of course.
#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect » 2 weeks ago
Thanks for posting this Shackler!! Super cool !!!
SLASH 1998 for nickelodeon
#8 Guns N' Roses » Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect » 3 weeks ago
- Shacklermyrye
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The Diamondhead Records Cassette Tape Archive
https://archive.org/details/diamondheadcassettes
An auction of tapes from a chain of stores in Texas has resulted in stuff being uploaded to Archive, It will be stuff you know, but in some cases better sounding quality, and in some cases worse. The link above will take you to the tapes submitted and contain other bands too but some interesting GN'R ones I have posted below
https://archive.org/details/Guns_N_Roses_UYI_Demos_1990 Last song is a version of Bad Apples I don't believe I have heard
https://archive.org/details/Bullet_Boys … _Demo_1985
https://archive.org/details/Guns_N_Rose … on_Promo_2
https://archive.org/details/GNR_Illusio … 1984-01-21
Those last 2 have interview clips with Duff, Sorum and Axl, some of which I believe are out there, some of which may not be
https://archive.org/details/Guns_N_Rose … Rain_Edits
There are also an assortment of live bootlegs that don't interest me and I expect are out there in better quality
#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Album thread 2025 by sp1at » 3 weeks ago
I personally like the fucking lunacy
Like during the Chinese democracy build up things would look promising and then you'd read oh fuck me he's chewed a security guards leg and the rest of the tour is cancelled.One of them said in an interview might have been duff
It's fucked up but In a realy beautiful way
I think axls bipolar diagnosis or whatever diagnosis he has and the chaos is why the music was so intense and why it resonated to much with me as a teenagerI read mygnr and forums in general and they are all hyper critical.
It's afuckinf miracle they aren't all dead.Axl suffered with his mental health
Duff's pancreas exploded and slash actually died a few times.I think we will get more music because they're mentioned it so much and monsters proves some stuff is ready for release
But whichever way we get to hear it it won't be normal and that's fine by me
I read someone post "I've tired of guns and roses" like they are some Peter o'toole character lounging on a regency sofa turning his nose up in disgust.Tired have you?
Then fuck off
Fuck off and listen to Coldplay
They release an album every three days but I can't rememebr a fucking note of the bland shite they've released.I don't want predictable bland normal
I want guns n fucking rosesI saw them at wembley a couple of weeks back
And no it wasn't the same as Milton Keynes 93
But axl doesn't have a delorianI still had non guns m roses fans thanking me for taking them to the concert
It was still gnr and it's still fucking great.
I also like the lunacy and general all round oddness of this band and it's history. I also think we get more music and I think there is way more of it than people think, I suspect we get the majority of it through leaks over the years as opposed to an album release though, would be happy to be wrong.
I pay attention to what's going on the forums too, but it's harder to do that than it used to be. Knowledgeable people have faded away & it seems many places have just become political forums with the only main GNR related content/threads based around current shows, which don't greatly interest me compared to info on rare unheard stuff/studio info ect, I do think its great they have added deep cuts to the setlist & I'm happy they are still out there doing it for those who go. As far as the forums go certain places come off like support groups for incels/conspiracy theorists & people who despise every facet of the band or on the other side of it people who loose there minds at the slightest criticism, there is no balanced in-between. People want what they don't have, if you told most of these people 10 years ago that Axl Slash Duff Fortus and a new drummer would be playing Sabbath songs and TWAT live they would have jizzed everywhere.
#10 Guns N' Roses » Bad Apples was meant to be on Live Era » 4 weeks ago
- Shacklermyrye
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Was looking in to the archive to check something unrelated and stumbled on this so thought I'd mention it as I'm not sure it's common knowledge or not.
Bad Apples was intended to be on Live Era and a mixed version by Andy Wallace likely exists
Wallace's management company confirms that the studio veteran is booked for the sessions from July 12 through to the 29th.
https://web.archive.org/web/20010629194 … _news.html The following post suggests his work however was not complete by the 29th.
August 8th 1999
The Guns N' Roses Live Album Info
Slash says the album will have to meet the approval of the GN'R members before it's ready for production. He is working on mixing it, and sometimes Duff will come in and help out. Every one of the band members is involved in some way. Slash says that 8 songs are done. The artwork is already in progress and will be done by the band. The album will be made up of songs from different concerts. There will be some GN'R standbys like "Welcome to the Jungle", but there will also be rare cuts like "Bad Apples". "November Rain" and "Estranged" are both included. Actually, Slash said there was way too much material for one CD, so they are constantly working to size down the tracks to be included. Still no date, but Slash says they are half done, and 24 songs are in mid-mix. So obviously, the band has got a ways to go to compressing this down to the cd-size 13-15. Slash will be going very briefly to New York to master this Guns album.
Source: GN'R mailinglist https://web.archive.org/web/20010702103 … news5.html
A rare live version of the song "Bad Apples," originally thought to be on record, did not make the final cut, but at least one other track, "Coma," is expected to surface as an overseas b-side in the future. https://web.archive.org/web/20010707161 … tory1.html
As you may recall Coma was eventually released as a bonus track in Japan, but also made available as a free download through KNACs site.
There are 22 songs on the album, 23 if you count Coma, the 24th has to be Bad Apples. So any of you have this?
The following is Duff basically admitting that there are overdubs, I stumbled on this a few years ago and its the closest I have seen any of them come to admitting it.
This was posted on Duff McKagan's Message Board:
Hey dudes! Yes, the live album is offically released on the 30th November here in the US. I did work quite a bit on it. It was great becasue I got to meet all the guys again. Slash was responsible for most of the work on the album. He and Axl worked the hardest. Stevie, Izzy and the others were all involved in one way or another. A lot of people who habe heard the Live Era sampler are complaining that it sound too overproduced with extra sound added. Hmm. It is true that we added extra sound to make the songs sound better on record. But I would not call it 'overproduced'. It has ended up with a very smooth, clean sound even to Axl's vocals but we were just trying to make the album as good as we could. That is why it doesn't actually say what shows the songs come from on the album. Loads of bands do it. Checkout Aerosmith's 'A Little South of Sanity', Cheap Trick's 'Live At Budokan' or any Kiss live album and they have all been tampered with. Otherwise, it would sound like a bootleg.
Se ya, November 30th, in your living room.
Source: Duff McKagan's Official Website
http://home5.swipnet.se/~w-52838/nov29_ … tory4.html