Bill Brasky wrote:

Shacklermyrye wrote:

who can tell me if they remember this...?

"and they say the stars don't look the same, I may have changed yet I have my soul to claim"

I know it was allegedly written by the same guy who posted the lyrics to Sorry before it was released although that's not entirely proven I don't think.

I havn't thought about this for years but If they are real lyrics, surely the word soul would suggest Soulmonster? If I remember right the same person was the first to mention In This Grave

So Demolition posted those lyrics about a Soul To Claim on htgth ? The Same guy who posted the lyrics to Sorry in 2007 on htgth ?

If that's the case wouldn't i and few others be right that Monsters isn't Soul Monster ?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Once again kudos to you @shacklermyrye and props to you @guts for remembering the source the lyrics all those years later.

@sp1at you also said
Beltrami told someone on my site years ago that Seven was based on the movie of the same name."
If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? (Page 49) / Guns N' Roses / GNR Evolution - Guns N Roses Forum

Seven is film about the 7 deadly sins.
So far the only  cd era songs not counting 4 kohd versions with religous overtones are Oh My God and State Of Grace. Since we know Seven isn't Oh My God is logical to assume I'm correct with my theory that Seven is State Of Grace ?

Man I had forgotten about those lyrics completely lol, that post of mine must be from very early in this thread somewhere.

I would need to look into the whole thing again to be sure, but the way I recall it, it was same guy who posted the lyrics to Sorry before release that posted those. People who remember it seemed to assume he was bullshitting as when Monsters leaked it didn't have those lyrics, but obviously knowing the lyrics to Sorry before they were out there suggests this poster either had heard or had actual stuff. Who knows maybe it was Sebastian Bach lol

When Monsters leaked I knew at least that the word Monsters was involved as just like Evader I had spent hours pulling the audio from the VIP_CELL clip & Monster was pretty much the only word I got right. I probably should have twigged that the song wasn't actually The General at all, but we all believed it was as GNR twitter had stated that intro music for gigs was mostly The General..

Anyway I understand that people are split on if they were once upon a time part of the same song or not. I don't know for sure, but I do know that the version of Monsters that leaked is like a structurally butchered version of what it once was, and should have been.

It's a shame we never got that version but you can always trust GN'R to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Bill Brasky wrote:

Shacklermyrye wrote:

In November of 1999 Rolling stone were played several songs from the Chinese democracy session's, they were also played an instrumental of Oklahoma.

Them being played just an instrumental, when they were played other songs that did have vocals suggests to me that none were recorded in 99 at all. The version that is out there is from March 2000 and obviously doesn't have any either.

But if you consider it was inspired by the bombing, (same week Izzy ect were writing Ocean ect) then that suggests the spark of the song came from Axl and not other members. That to me means it's likely he had a few lyrics for it but probably not all lyrics for it and just had not recorded them yet.

That he played it for magazines suggests he might have had more confidence in it than other songs they had at the time though, as I think aside from Atlas Shrugged all the other songs wound up on CD.

A few things to consider
1. We know by Dave Dominguez that Oklahoma was done lyrical very early in 1995-1996, So in my opinion it's a lot like This I Love a song with lyrics and vocals ready just needing the instrumental. Rembrandt This I love also didn't appear on the 19 village disc that we got. It's most likely on the others since it was intended to be used on the 1998 In What Dreams May Come.

2. Oklahoma is on rough mixes disc 3 but it's  take 10. So we don't know if the other9 by that date date had vocals.

3. When Rolling Stone was played the instrumental in 1999 it's possible that Axl wanted to tinker with it more to capture more of the sound of 1996 demo, So the version with vocals was not shared due to him wanting to redo vocals.

Just throwing out some of my thoughts.

Considering Oklahoma was a alt song at the 2001 hob show i think it was one of the first songs done.

I don't interpret Dave's comment about Oklahoma being done by the time they hit the studio to be mean the lyrics were done, I personally took that as referring to the instrumental. In another interview in 2018 he described it (and IRS) as a loop during that time period.

Bill Brasky wrote:

Well if Quick Song is Cuban Skies then Mister Saint Laurent can add another feather to his cap.

Funny you mention the military drum roll sound @Shacklermyrye on this very forum  https://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic. … 10365&p=15 @misterID a friend of Mister Saint Laurent claims that Cuban Skies was played and identified by Mister Saint Laurent in chat. Also in the thread Cuban Skies is described as having a military style drum roll.

Also flightly off topic but not worthy of it's own thread...

I also listened to Oklahoma again.

We know that song was almost complete when they went into Rumbo January 98, when I listened this time it stood out that whilst the drumming is either Freese or Brain (I think Freese?) The drum rolls and arrangement screams Sorum to me. Obviously Sorum was there until 97, with Riggs filling in for him when he was on tour. It's obviously likely that Sorum worked on that song before leaving. I wonder if the reason we never got it was so as to deny him any form of credit. Him being listed as an additional musician in the Live Era record possibly hints that may be the case, at least to me.