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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 40 weeks ago

carlossacanell wrote:
monkeychow wrote:

I mean i'm sure there's still good stuff...the Eye on You melody is cool, and Atlas was an ineresting verse, state of grace was fun sounding....and at least the band gives us these kind of things even if they are incomplete...as I think otherwise we'd be waiting on something thats never going to come.

Very good points in my opinion. So... Not very optimistic future for us

Do you know that feeling after watching the last episode of the final season you like?

#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 40 weeks ago

By the way, very good analysis, monkeychow 2

#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 40 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

The elephant in the room is what happened to the songwriting.

Obviously we know he's one of the greatest songwriters of his generation and indeed probably all time...yet somewhere after UYI he seemed to hit a wall.

Axl rejected most of the Slash riffs of the past because as he has said - he does not like to try and write around finished guitar pieces. So it seems unlikely he's going to sit down with a new instrumental album composed by slash and duff and richard now and make it into GNR.

This is probably the same reason nothing came of the pieces submitted by DJ and Bumble.

Most accounts suggest that of the many pieces submitted by brain/bucklet/robin most never got lyrics.

Of the songs he did finish and release the 2008 Chinese Democracy - it's clear a lot of them are made by frankenstiening half song ideas together to try and make a full length song. They jump styles. They jump genres. They stop and start. They mix all kinds of things together including different bands decades apart. They made full length songs but a lot of them don't flow together easily, you need the click running and samples to perform them.

Of the songs post Chinese Democracy - it's the same story - but these ones were put out without the additional inspiration. Hardschool is mostly choruses with a long instrumental in the middle. Absurd is a classic rant repeated over and over with no third verse or chorus. Perhaps is the most developed - but even it fundamentally repeats itself from half way through. The general is what one verse and one chorus repeated three times without an outro. Don't get me wrong I love these songs, but it's clear the difference between these and Novermber Rain or Coma was these songs were waiting for additional ideas that don't exist.

When asked if Axl could write for Ac/Dc in 2016 he joked that he would love to do an album if someone could just give him some good finished songs to sing.

Given how the old songs evolved this may have always been his process, but I think it's a process that has basically stopped working. 

As I said in a recent post I think most of the song ideas came from traumas that are now solved, he's not living an AFD lifestyle so he can't write AFD2, I think the young man fire in them all is tempered. They could co-operate to fill the gaps - but as we've seen from the general and so on - slash and duff will not risk another breakup of the enterprise to push things by challenging a strong structure or demanding a new verse or adding on a huge change. They just overdub whatever bucket and robin did - which was mostly unmarkatable art noodles in the first place or random jams in the studio watching porn - and only even became what it did cos younger Axl hacked it into something on a 8 hour pro tools stint in his youth.

As for Slash - I wonder if he's just finally run out of ideas. Dude put out 8 full length albums outside of GNR most of them have classic riffs and solos - but even the last couple of those have started to rehash structures, rehash guitar patterns, or stock slash fills, or some clearly tribute other players or songs in ways that make me think he's starting to hit the wall too.

All that said - they are them - musical geniuses - so I mean - maybe - and just maybe - it still happens - maybe they get in the back of a room in person one day and write a classic in 5 mins...dumber things have happened....but even so...we have a wall - Axl likes to write from the piano but can't finish, Slash likes to write riffs but Axl doesn't know what to do with them, Izzy is gone, Tommy, Bucket, DJ, Bumble, and Co already sent in what they had and it didn't light a fire under anyone....

I mean i'm sure there's still good stuff...the Eye on You melody is cool, and Atlas was an ineresting verse, state of grace was fun sounding....and at least the band gives us these kind of things even if they are incomplete...as I think otherwise we'd be waiting on something thats never going to come.

It makes sense to me: we lose what we don't practice.

I would add the fact that it's weird to write and release songs about 30-year-old subjects when you're 60. Many of these leftovers are probably 20 years old.

Axl is a great songwriter, but Izzy is greater (or was). The golden age of Guns' songwriting was that period of Hell House, the 5 of them living together, with little money. Even UYI has good songs from this period.

Can we assume that the band brought the finished songs and Axl sang on them??

Anyway, it was a kind of planetary alignment (Izzy's lyrics, Axl's voice, Slash's riffs, etc.). The rest is history...

It's crazy to think that most of the great songs that bring crowds around the world to watch them came from this Hell House.

#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 40 weeks ago

James wrote:
monkeychow wrote:

The more I listen, I love the lyrics, the awesome vocal melody and the spooky guitar.

If I want to find problems I would note that all of these new songs had a lot of repeats. They are all awesome song concepts that feel a touch unfinished somehow, and I think its that they all feel like they need a new 3rd verse or something of that nature.

General for instance feels like the build up part of one of Axl's epics. But it doesn't complete. Hell, Slash sounds like he's just getting warmed up to go nuts when it ends, I think it needed a huge guitar outro whole Axl kept up with those screamy bits in the background...

It's like NR if it didn't have the two slash solos or the outro, or breadown with out the outro, or locomotive if it was just 1 verse. Basically I think what is there is awesome but it feels incomplete. I wonder if Axl felt this too and that's why these songs were held over so many years - waiting for an idea that never came? Maybe not too though.

Anyways despite my bitching I do enjoy all this new music, and i'm so glad he's finally sharing things again.

Nail on head.

The song itself is ok for what it is...a good song he could've turned into a damn good song had he ever went back to it and finished it.

They sound unfinished because they are. They get one verse and a chorus and to stretch out the song (s) to full length, they repeat.

On the other hand...the main issues here are the horrid production/mixing issues. There's just no excusing it at this point. They are on too high of a level for their material to be this quality.

I wish he did full length, honest interviews on this saga. He obviously abandoned the project at some point and considering how much time has transpired, I'd like to know why.  I'd also like to know why they don't take this material to Guthrie, O Brien, Padgham, fuck... anyone else.

It's why it's easy for the fan base to assume they don't give a shit because it's all so low effort.

I'm starting to think this way too. This was Axl's real project from 1994 until... I don't know, maybe 2011, when his plans to release "CD Part II" were sabotaged in favor of bringing the original Guns lineup back together.

I think from this point on, Axl has lost his appetite for Chinese food.
Since then, the other members were probably the ones who took the initiative to record and show something that would please the boss. After all, recording an album with GnR has its value.

Now he's releasing the songs that still make sense (using monkeychow's line of thought, mentioned here before), to close the CD cycle and start with new songs.

Theories, theories, theories...

#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 41 weeks ago

In 2016, MSL was interviewed by a Brazilian blogger, saying that "'The General' is absolutely amazing and I hope and pray that it is on the next album. This is definitely my favorite from the next album out of all the ones I've heard.".

https://whiplash.net/materias/entrevist … roses.html

I'd like to know what this version he got is like, how different it is (or not)......

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