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#91 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 449 weeks ago
There's no way to add anything to the already unsubstantial shit you keep posting as though you know something. You don't know jack shit, and you know I know you don't know jack shit which is why you are always attacking me instead of anything I post. I can't respond to the inaccuracies you post because everything is the opinion of some dumb fucking liberal. There's a reason nobody takes you seriously. You're a fucking clown that acts like a know it all, then has the nerve to get pissed when you're called on it.
Have an original thought. Just one. I challenge you. You cry about people parroting talking points...do you read the shit you post? You and ID are absolutely, positively the least intelligent people to ever attempt to discuss politics. Fear mongering. Quoting liberal media as fact. Crying about what happened. You guys are the most fucking pathetic people out there, and then you have the nerve to attack me because I won't put up with your bullshit? Fuck you.
Every single thing I post is my own thought. I don't read all the sites you keep accusing people of quoting. I don't watch fox news. I see what happens and form my own opinions based on that. You should try it some day. For once, you might be right about something political. Until then, you just make yourselves look like the dumb motherfuckers I've been calling you for months because quite frankly that's what you are. You are the prototypical liberal fuckhead that accuses people of racism for having the nerve to tell you how fucking stupid you are.
There are far too many differences between you and smart people to even begin to list them. I haven't said a fucking word about how smart I am in a while either, so you got that wrong too. As usual, you got nothing right. Congratulations. Maybe it's time you step away because clearly my stepping away changed nothing you ignorant cunt.
Suck on that for a bit.
I've seen perhaps one or two insightfully reasoned posts amongst the avalanche of absolute pointless tripe you've posted in this thread. Your typical MO seems to be to just assert your position as boldly and arrogantly as possible, throwing in as much insults as you can muster for good measure. You shouldn't be surprised that people like me have started just glossing over your posts, or that those who still think there's something to be gained from engaging with you are very vocally dismissive of what you write. It's just way too much work to sift through the shitload of unsubstantiated crap you post to find those few nuggets of gold that actually do show that you're a pretty intelligent guy. Do yourself a favor, realize that no one thinks you're opinion has any merrit just 'cause you've shouted it at the top of your lungs. If you don't feel like arguing your position, just don't post. Perhaps then, when you do say something, we can all start off with the assumption that it's going to be worth reading instead of dismissing it out of hand.
#92 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 449 weeks ago
it simply IS homophobic and transphobic.
Oh please. This is the tactic used against anyone who doesn't fall in line with the agenda. You've been a member of this community almost since its beginning so I assume you've participated in this discussion before. If so.... you know that I have two gay relatives.....one my uncle who is more like my brother(and only two years older). He's the one I took to that Buckethead show. He doesn't flaunt it in peoples faces continuously and when you see him, you wouldn't think he was gay. In his early 20s he did some things like going to parks/rest areas to fool around. I criticized this at the time. Children go to parks and in the late 90s there was a story in Sacramento about a little girl at the park and when her mom went up to her, she had a used condom in her mouth....she had picked it up off the ground by the bathrooms. THis sparked an outrage here(rightfully so) and people wanted something done about it but of course not a damn thing really happened. Media dropped the story so no one ever found out what happened(or I simply didn't see it) but I hope that kid didn't get a disease from that incident.
My other gay relative is my cousin in her mid 20s. Its like night and day. Its shoved in your face 24/7 and other than #BLM, one of the few things she talks about. She's butch to the core and I've warned her about going too far with it. Not everyone thinks this stuff is peaches and cream and when the eventual backlash occurs, she's gonna have some splainin' to do and it wont be easy to backtrack on all her SJW nonsense. She'll also be on an island because the girls she dates aren't even really lesbians....they do it because its the 'cool' thing to do. When her last girlfriend broke up with her, she kept trying to get back together and she had to start bringing guys around so she'd take the hint. The current one will do the same thing.
Nobody gives a shit what they do in their bedroom so keep it there. The general public doesn't want to be constantly bombarded with it. We get it...you're gay....now move on. They don't move on though. They want everyone drowning in their gayness until they cant breathe. Society looks to be ready to come up for some air. I do realize its probably a minority of gays using this approach but if so, the media should stop focusing on it. LIke Chong said, "They're gonna ruin it for the rest of us...".
It is a bit funny to be called homophobic. Other than my grandma, I've done more for those two relatives than I have any of them. My younger cousin was a loner and outcast in high school. I befriended her and would take her to movies, concerts, etc. from time to time. Nobody else did anything...including her mother. If I was a homophobe, I wouldn't have gave the slightest fucks about the position she was in and just let her twist in the wind without any friends and sit home twiddling her thumbs. She came out of her shell when going to college and while I certainly don't agree with how she's placed that stuff on front street to such an extent, I'd like to think I had at least a minimal positive impact on her life at that crucial stage.
Listen, I don't want to re-hash the tranny discussion, as you put it. But given that I haven't had a chance to address this yet I wanted to put something straight. You can't use the equivalent of "some of my best friends are black" bullshit excuse to deny that some of your claims are homophobic. They simply ascribe a bunch of characteristics to a group of people that do not apply to all of them, or even the majority, and based on that generalization you want legislation to take away some of these people's rights. I couldn't care less if you think your niece is too butch for her own good, man... that's your right. It's just not the sort of thing that you can expect anyone to respect you for. And it certainly isn't an argument against letting gay people dress and act the way they fucking want.
Stop policing consenting adults' sex lives
Like I've already said, no one cares who people fuck behind closed doors. Keep it there. It doesn't belong in every fabric of our culture or at the local park.
Gays like to parrot the 10% statistic. Do you really think such a minority deserves or needs that much attention?!? While its not the same thing obviously, a small percentage of guys have a foot fetish and some here are aware of my interest in that regard. It doesn't mean I want or expect every hot chick to flash her feet on TV screens or for society to cater to my needs. I don't expect society at large to indulge it and certainly don't expect the media to bombard everyone else with it just because that specific interest is in the minority. While its not something I'm ashamed of, its not something I go around bragging about either. Other than some posts on the internet or a few jokes over the years with friends, its not brought out into the open until things get heated with whoever I'm hooking up with. I don't go around demanding special rights or walking down the street waving a flag with Mischa Barton or Angie Harmon's feet on it.
Dude, no-one gets to fuck at the local park... not gays, not straights, not transgenders, not fucking foot fetishists.... You don't need special laws that say that gays shouldn't fuck in the park. But if someone wants to put on a dress and grow a fucking hipster beard and prance around fucking Yerba Buena Gardens then so fucking what? No, you don't have to like it, but they don't have to care about what you like. That's the point man, personal liberties trump your ability to be offended. Think some show is not as good because it now has a couple of gay characters in it? Stop watching it, let the creators know and move on with your life. Don't just go off blaming society...
Don't get me wrong I don't really think you're a homophobe, I don't really think you're a sexist. I do think some of the things you say are homophobic and sexist.
#93 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 449 weeks ago
I am a progressive/liberal (shocker...), but I'm with Flagg on some of his remarks.
So here's the thing... racism (or sexism, or any other ism) has a fairly broad definition, but I think we should distinguish two basic ways that it can manifest itself (according to the dictionary definition of racism):
- prejudice
- discrimination
I don't think you can truly dispute that those quotes clearly reveal prejudice towards a number of groups, so by definition it's fair to call that racism/sexism/whatever. Now, if that were all that there's to it, I'd say fuck it... who cares... at most they will have offended some people. Being offended is not something we should protect people against, grow a thicker skin and get on with your life. Prejudice is a strange thing, it's not the result of a conscious effort, it's just... prejudice... it's what people believe deep down inside. You can't police that, you shouldn't even try to.
On the other hand, if there are acts of discrimination, that's clearly unacceptable. If you fly off the handle because the wife hasn't cooked you dinner when you get home from work, that's unacceptable. If you deny a black person a customer-facing job because you think it'll help your business if customers don't have to interact with black people, that's unacceptable. You're actively harming those people, purely based on their gender or race. Trump has done both of those things (one he admitted to himself, the other he was accused of... more on that below), and therefore is a despicable racist and sexist asshole who should never have won this election. It's disgusting that so many Americans fell for it.
Now, regarding those accusations (from black employees in the case of Trump, or the ex-wife in the case of Bannon), I will say that if you openly and arrogantly display prejudice towards certain groups (e.g. women), and you get accused of discrimination (e.g. sending your kid to a private school to avoid them having to spend time with jews), I will be inclined to believe the accuser. So in my opinion, although I agree with Flagg that nothing in the quotes reveals direct active discrimination, it is hard to make a bold-faced claim that he is not an anti-semite simply because the accusation comes from his ex-wife. Everything in his public writing supports the idea that there is a very high chance she is not lying.
#94 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 450 weeks ago
Ha ha ha. This thread has turned hysterical. Trump will be just fine. Now, everyone chill the fuck out.
Seriously, when I woke up yesterday and checked my phone, saw that Trump was ahead (244 - 214 at that point) I literally got nauseous, sick to my stomach and took the day off. There is no chilling out for me, I'm deflated and depressed, not angry. Not because of a fear of what Trump might or might not do (there' that as well, just reading through the list of potential names for his cabinet is disturbing), but because of what it says about the electorate. This has forced me to realize that a much larger percentage of Western society has yet to evolve past their basic cave-dweller instincts, and that is incredibly depressing and sad.
#95 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 450 weeks ago
You've yet to explain why it's bad! Or what about it offends you. All you've done is comapre them to paedophiles and dog fuckers, put out a disclaimer saying you're not doing something when you basically just did. And if you're not then your argument is
"There's nothing wrong with transexuals, but we've got to be careful about accepting them because the dog fuckers might get pretensions of being accepted too, so unfortuantely we can't accept them"
And how do LGBT characters ruin your shows? What about their presence in the show is a ruining factor?
Your argument is just "I don't like or care about them, others feel the same, they need to go back in the closet". But you haven't at all explained why you don't like them! Until you do you are just coming across as horribly transphobic and with your shit at the end about being annoyed that LGBT characters ruin your TV Shows (the horror, the sanctity of TV is at stake) you're now coming across as homophobic as well.
Explain what your problem is with gay and trans people. Without saying that they are too present in day to day life. Explain what about them actually bothers you and how they interfere with you doing the things you want to do.
Well said! I'll add this: James, you have to stop equating what two (or three, five or 20) consenting adults do with their sex lives to what perverts do to kids and animals. Kids and animals cannot consent; homosexuals, transexuals, and the likes can. Stop policing consenting adults' sex lives, it is not just coming across as homophobic/transphobic, it simply IS homophobic and transphobic.
#96 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 450 weeks ago
monkeychow wrote:I actually like what he said in that video.
What I doubt though is his ability to deliver those things.
In reality, he is the representative of the GOP which, just like the democratic party also, has been in the service of large corporations and other billion dollar interest groups for generations now.
Likewise as a born millionaire, now billionaire, he is both from and has perpetuated the type of inequality and 'establishment-interests' that he is now supposedly championing against.
How is he the figure head of normal people when his life is anything but normal? How is the representative of the oldest political party in the system being painted as an outsider?
What he says is what a lot of people want I have no doubt, but it's a straight up con job to think this stuff can come from this person.
I see how you easily could say that Monkey but he isn't really friends with the rich like you think. Most mega rich just don't like him. He didn't take Wall Street money like Hillary did and others have. He has a lot of flaws but I think he is his own man. His only negative is that he is mega rich so you assume he thinks just like every other super rich person. I think he does want to shake things up.
But HOW does he want to shake things up? In that clip you posted, all he does is lament about the problems he claims to see (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now and will assume he really does believe that the US political system is corrupt, I could argue he's only aping Bernie's message here because he knows it played well). But he doesn't offer an alternative, all he says is "I'm different" without explaining HOW. All of his actual policies (the ones that you can look up at least, immigration, foreign policy and tax related) are completely unrelated to anything in this speech. As a matter of fact, a lot of what he has said in past debates, rallies and interviews seem to indicate that he'd favor MORE centralized power (curtailing the media, jailing his political opponent, ...). It also doesn't help, to Monkey's point, that he's running on the platform of the party that opened the floodgates for the organized corruption in the US political system (citizens united).
Contrast that to Sanders, who outlined actual detailed measures he'd take to tackle the influence of big money in politics, who actually outlined policies that were designed to benefit the lower and middle class, who actually understood the need to overturn citizens united, ... I don't want to debate the merits of those policies now, but at the very least he had something to offer that you could analyze, that you could debate. Trump just doesn't have any of that, it's just a lot of finger pointing, lamenting and complaining without offering potential solutions (let alone a way of implementing those solutions).
It's just so disheartening to see people get sucked into this spiral of negativity and complaints without solutions. I get why it might feel cathartic to complain for a bit, but at a certain point you're going to have to suck it up, and look into the alternative he's offering and realize that he has none. And he even admits as much himself, he proudly proclaims that he will just "learn on the job"!
#97 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 451 weeks ago
Semen and menstrual blood too I heard, at least that's what Podesta thinks when he eats it.
But according to Snopes there's nothing disturbing about this, it's just art.
Reminds me of this:
To each their own I guess, nothing to see here as far as I'm concerned 
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#98 Re: The Garden » Evo Presidential Poll » 451 weeks ago
Strange that a GN'R board would be this conformist. Sign of the times I guess.
It's quite possible to be non-conformist and yet not want a guy who looks like a half-orangutan (and has half the IQ of an orangutan) to become president.... If you're only motivated to vote for someone 'because they're not the establishment', you're not non-conformist you're a contrarian. It's not the same thing...
#99 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 452 weeks ago
ABC pole now down to 6. Was 12 last week. You guys said this was the most highly rated pole. WTF is going on?
Are those numbers inches, and are those poles you're talking about euphemisms for 'penis'? My pole is pretty highly rated, but it never goes up to 12"...
Oh, you meant polLs... ;-).
#100 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 452 weeks ago
TheMole wrote:Well, Belgium has the highest effective income tax rate for single people in the world at 43%, the OECD average is 25% and the US is at 22.5%. Given how close that is to the average, there's absolutely no reason why the US wouldn't be able to afford a proper public health system.
Sure there is. Nobody is interested in paying more taxes. The gov't is corrupt and incompetent. They cannot run anything successfully (see social security, medicare, etc). If healthy people don't sign up, there's no way this is sustainable.
Granted, the quality of public services in the US has not generally been of a level that would inspire me to believe the first stab at a universal (single payer) health care system would be an unmitigated success. That doesn't change the fact that any insurance system benefits the most from economies of scale, and the most scale can be had by instituting a universal, country-wide health care system.
But this is all besides the point, these are policies choices after all that aren't up for consideration at this stage. More important is recognizing Trumps unfathomable stupidity compared to Hillary.
