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#101 Re: Guns N' Roses » Wtf happened to … I.R.S. » 205 weeks ago
IRS was always a garbage song. Never should have been on the album.
#102 Re: Guns N' Roses » WTF happened to…Catcher in the Rye » 205 weeks ago
I still think a guitar based version of silkworms could be cool. Would give it a zep vibe.
Like if you had slash doing that keys riff on guitar with a kinda a "whole lotta love" feel to it....and Axl in angry mode....
Not really into the techno version but I sorta hear a concept that would rock up well in there. Mind you unlikely it will ever happen now pitman has been banished to the outer darkness.
slash sucks now he should go no where near the CD era songs. He butchers all of them. If anyone was going to redo guitar work on CD era songs it should be Fortus.
#103 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 205 weeks ago
davegnfnr2k wrote:AgesOfTheIce wrote:I think Slash's Hardschool is way better than the demo. It really sounds like a modern You Could Be Mine type rocker. On the other hand, I'm afraid that songs like Soul Monster are probably lost forever since they can't be easily "Slashified" in that manner. Why the hell couldn't Axl have just released CD II in 2015?
Slash's hard school was a disaster. You really think that was good?
As for something like Soul Monster, not sure why Axl just doesn't let Fortus do the BH stuff Fortus can shred and would be able to handle all of BHs stuffbut of course Axl wants to give Slash pretty much all fo the CD solos that both Finck and BH did. So dumb.Slash improved Hardschool to actually sound like a Guns N’ Roses song. If you think that’s butchering it, then you don’t really like GN’R’s classic sound.
Hard School before Slash butchered it was already classic GNR sound.
Someone should repost the clip so we can all see how terrible it is.
#104 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 205 weeks ago
davegnfnr2k wrote:James wrote:Only thing I expect is a new rotation of covers.
Eddie Van Halen died. We may get a Van Halen song.
Who else died this past year?
maybe add in a few UYI songs but that is about it. 90% of it wont change IMO
And I doubt they play hard school. And even based on that sound check clip do we really want to hear axl and slash butcher it?I think Slash's Hardschool is way better than the demo. It really sounds like a modern You Could Be Mine type rocker. On the other hand, I'm afraid that songs like Soul Monster are probably lost forever since they can't be easily "Slashified" in that manner. Why the hell couldn't Axl have just released CD II in 2015?
Slash's hard school was a disaster. You really think that was good?
As for something like Soul Monster, not sure why Axl just doesn't let Fortus do the BH stuff Fortus can shred and would be able to handle all of BHs stuffbut of course Axl wants to give Slash pretty much all fo the CD solos that both Finck and BH did. So dumb.
#105 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 205 weeks ago
Only thing I expect is a new rotation of covers.
Eddie Van Halen died. We may get a Van Halen song.
Who else died this past year?
maybe add in a few UYI songs but that is about it. 90% of it wont change IMO
And I doubt they play hard school. And even based on that sound check clip do we really want to hear axl and slash butcher it?
#106 Re: Guns N' Roses » WTF happened to…Catcher in the Rye » 205 weeks ago
Silkworms was never pushed as some amazing song.
Every song on my list above was pushed as such since that Spin article in 1999.
So none of those songs needed to be on the first album
Yeah they did. All the promotion/hype in 98-00 revolved around those songs.
Silkworms got a shitty response and was immediately dropped....never to be mentioned again until years later when Axl brought up it had been changed when asked....never to be mentioned again.
Yes the final version of Catcher is garbage but in a world where this album comes out in 2000-01, it only exists in its original form.
Well on my original list CITR was on the 2002 album.
And even if you want to put those songs you mentioned on the album like you said that still leaves room for 6 other songs.
Those could be Hard School, Atlas, Perhaps, Oklahoma, Quick song and the Rebel.
That would be a killer album too
#107 Re: Guns N' Roses » WTF happened to…Catcher in the Rye » 205 weeks ago
No matter how you approach a CD tracklist in an alternate universe, you're sorta boxed in to including a specific set of songs due to them being mentioned from jump street....
Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Madagascar
Prostitute
Catcher in the Rye
There Was A TimeThis I Love probably goes in this category as well... although I would gladly exclude it.
You only have room to add maybe 5-6 tracks.
Before someone says Catcher is meant for the third album....
Bullshit....it's one of the best songs he's got.
It's going on the first album.
Looking back on all this stuff.... it's a head scratcher how they had the nerve to pull the trigger on Oh My God when the world is watching and so much rides on it.
It was the right time to unveil a new song....
....but the wrong soundtrack.
They were boxed into a certain style. It had to thematically fit with everything else on it.
The only songs possible...
Oh My God
Silkworms
State of GraceGrace probably isn't possible at that point...so that leaves Silkworms.
Can that make any waves in 1999? Maybe. It's a Prodigy knockoff...it might chart. Other than that, it sinks like a stone due to no follow through, the fact they still don't have the best song on the soundtrack, etc.
It's unfortunate that a film like The Sixth Sense, Fight Club, The Matrix, didn't want a new GNR song.
It could've been a game changer.
If the world gets to hear something like Catcher in the Rye, The Blues, etc in 1999, it creates genuine anticipation and the label then has an incentive to tit in stores.
I disagree, silkworms was mentioned from jump street and even played live and it was not on CD. So none of those songs needed to be on the first album
Also silkworms would have been a great song if not for the terrible lyrics. The music of silkworms is great, its the lyrics that take it down a notch.
CITR the version that made the album was total garbage and it ruined the song. The Brian May version is the one that should have made the album.
#108 Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 205 weeks ago
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We don't really expect a new setlist do we? Outside of maybe a couple different songs will it really be that different?
And are they really going to add hard school? You'd think if they were going to play a new song they would have the single out before the tour. But again its GNR and they never do anything that makes sense.
#109 Re: Guns N' Roses » Wtf happened to…Sorry » 205 weeks ago
James wrote:The instrumental version is from the Village Sessions leak.
I'm not sure if it should even be classified as GNR as it's fairly obvious it's the Giant Robot guys doing it.
It destroys the album version and I prefer it even though it has no vocals. It has an existential vibe to it that has been neutered on the album version.
Fortunately, it's very easy to pull the Rock Band isolated vocal and plop it on top of the instrumental demo.
imsorry the person, did that, and it sounds great.
#110 Re: Guns N' Roses » Wtf happened to…Sorry » 205 weeks ago
davegnfnr2k wrote:FlashFlood wrote:Legitimately forget if there was a version of this before the album. Not sure if it was part of Skewrl or some other leak.
Only thing I’ll say is I’m kind of shocked Axl left Bucket’s solo (which is fantastic). I do wonder what the science was (or lack thereof) of which Bucket solos got re-recorded and which didn’t.
My guess is the songs he wrote they kept most of stuff where as the stuff he didn't they redid. Didn't they keep most of his solos? The only one I can think that got replaced was Riad. And that was by far his weakness solo from CD.
His solo and that Praxis style outro gave the song the ingredients it was missing.
It's serviceable on disc 1 as is but feels a tad hollow without him.
He never should've been removed at all from anything. He did exactly what he was supposed to do...and his contributions...even when in the role of stunt player adding to an already finished song... do not sound abrasive and aren't oddly pasted in like they did with Bumble.
check your DM
The reason why BHs stuff doesn't sound pasted is because it wasn't lol. Unlike BBF where he just pasted his parts over the song or just lifted out some of BHs stuff and replaced.
BBF added nothing to the album outside of Shacklers. I am still curious if there is another version of shackles with BH besides the demo on the lock discsl
