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#101 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 452 weeks ago
Interesting. That's not what a lot of people that live there say. I hear Canadians complain all the time about their taxes and the wait to see a doctor. I think this is just another falicy that people love to throw out there to say how bad we are that's without merit. Sure, they have universal health care but it's expensive and slow. There's a price for everything. Nothing is free.
I can't speak for Canada of course (I have read the waiting lists for specialists are indeed fairly long, never for emergency care though, and priorities are set based on needs), but I can tell you that over here (Belgium) we have both greater access to doctors than in the US (insurance companies have no say as to which hospital/doctor you visit), as well as some of the shortest waiting periods in the world. But in all cases can anyone walk into any hospital and get essential treatment, for free. Also, do not forget that the socialist-style universal health care systems are in almost all cases complemented by a second tier (for which private insurance is available, although again without some of the limitations you will find in the US) for things like elective surgery, access to experimental treatments as well as better (strictly non-medical) services (poshly appointed private rooms, etc..., private rooms in hospitals in the swiss alps, ...).
Don't go by what people say, go by statistics. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing except that no system is perfect.
#102 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 452 weeks ago
Well, Belgium has the highest effective income tax rate for single people in the world at 43%, the OECD average is 25% and the US is at 22.5%. Given how close that is to the average, there's absolutely no reason why the US wouldn't be able to afford a proper public health system.
#103 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 452 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:polluxlm wrote:Hillary is a lying, establishment prick. Prodding a stick to Putin's balls. Why are you afraid of Trump again?
It's not because he is establishment, it's because you don't know what he's going to do.
To be fair, Trump doesn't know what he's going to do, either. He's woefully unprepared, overwhelmingly unqualified to run a country and laughably unfit to lead the west's biggest armed forces.
That is scary. I'm not ashamed to be scared of a Trump presidency. He's not fit to run my local coffee shop or school board.
This kind of thinking is scary. You can't trust him, but you trust Hillary who has shown over and over that she will also only do what's in her best interests? I don't understand this thinking at all. Hillary lies as much or more than Trump. She's all about her and her agenda. Nothing has changed about her since Obama correctly identified her faults 8 years ago, but now she's so trustworthy to be President because you know the stupid shit she's going to do instead of not knowing?
The truth is Trump isn't going to do anything. Pence will effectively be running the country. Trump has no interest in anything but the title and the attention...he's not interested in the work.
I'll still take Gary Johnson and his foreign policy concerns over either of them. He'll have someone else handling that for him anyway. That's how this works. None of them do it all...they rely on their advisors.
The difference is that while Hillary lies with a clear purpose (to further her career, to get elected, to squash her competition, to eventually implement her psuedo-neoconservative policies), Trump lies about every fucking little thing that he thinks will further boost his already ginormous ego. He's just a fragile little egomaniac that is looking for affirmation from whoever wants to give it to him, and if that be semi-retarded small-minded racist rednecks, then that's where he'll go. The mind-numbing stupidity that he oozes out of every pore is just blindingly obvious to me... I mean Gary Johnson may be uneducated on certain topics, but he at least has the mental capacity to think through his actions. Trump is just plain old stupid. But worse than him being stupid is that his ego makes him a volatile motherfucker that you simply should not allow anywhere near a position of power. Combine the two, and it's clear that he is too dumb to understand the consequences of his own ego-driven actions...
Hillary might be a liar, but at least she's competent. Even if you don't agree with her policies, you must concede that she's fucking good at what she does.
#104 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 452 weeks ago
Higher premiums and higher deductibles. Can't blame the insurance companies for this. It's what happens when you mandate healthcare that's too expensive for the healthy people to sign up for.
And yet... somehow... in every fucking other civilized country on the face of the fucking planet they manage to make this system more affordable and more accessible... while at the same time still having an on average higher quality of service than in the US. Go figure...
#105 Guns N' Roses » New GNR Airplane » 452 weeks ago
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Not sure if this article is in any way accurate, I reckon they're just leasing the plane for the duration of the tour, but it is pretty cool nonetheless: http://www.alternativenation.net/guns-n … -airplane/
#106 Re: The Garden » 270 to win 2016 Edition » 453 weeks ago
Here's mine:
I think there's a fair chance she will win AZ and OH as well, but I believe this is the minimum she'll win.
#107 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 453 weeks ago
pollux those polls were 6-4 months before hand. Things changed in the final few weeks and leave started leading.
You're taking the piss using those polls. That was before campaigning even officially began.
Indeed. In early June most polls had the leave camp ahead by a small margin of a couple of points (that's 4 weeks before the actual vote, e.g. much more comparable to the current polls on the presidency). In the last couple of days before the Brexit vote, the polls had the two camps in a dead heat. So effectively, the relevant polls (as in: the ones that were conducted near the closing of the campaign) turned out to be right on the mark.
#108 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 453 weeks ago
He had a majority in both houses for two years and pissed it all away doing nothing but extending various Bush policies and executive orders and of course Obamacare.
She'll also keep those same trains running on time.
This is very true, but it also seems most Americans either don't realize this, or actually think that it is a good thing. We shouldn't forget that Obama's approval ratings are at their highest right now, and that he improved upon his 2004 election results in 2008. He (and by extension the Democrats) are being rewarded by the electorate. It seems that a large majority of people don't seem to agree with all the doom and gloom messaging coming from Trump and the GOP.
#109 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 453 weeks ago
The Clinton supporters seem so arrogant in this thread. Why do you guys care so much that Pollux and I think Trump may make this closer than the polls show (like Brexit). I feel like this constant citing of the polls and your feelings reveals your insecurities.
What are you talking about... Brexit polls were continuously VERY close and Leave was in fact ahead most of the time. The polls (from proper pollsters) were ridiculously accurate, just like they were in the US in the primaries and just like they will be come November 28th... (*cough*... can't blame a guy for trying, right? 
). The Leave camp was arrogant for discounting the polls during the Brexit campaign, just like the Trump camp is arrogant for not discounting the polls during this presidential election. The only real difference is that in the US a lot of pseudo polls seem to be floating around, diluting the value of proper scientific polls.
538 has a decent track record as an accurate polls aggregator close to elections, so it might be worth checking out this article: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ele … n-winning/
#110 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 453 weeks ago
“Something is going on in this country in these polls.”
"Something isn’t adding up,”
“Something is going to happen here, I just sense it,”
Yes, those are definitely the words of someone who has done diligent scientific research... 
“Hillary will glide into the White House, or we’re headed for one of the greatest shocks in American politics”
Clever guy you are quoting here pollux, those are litterally the only two options...
