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#101 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 75 weeks ago
Only rival vocally for Axl back in the day was Cornell.
Monkeychow, Axl and Kurt couldn’t sniff or hold Jimi Hendrix’s jock. Hendrix is on a whole other level.
Hendrix might be the most tragic music death of all....he was literally just getting started.
I don't remember the details but before the end, he briefly wanted to do some type of supergroup with Paul McCartney and Miles Davis.
Imagine that timeline.
#102 Re: The Garden » NFL 2023/24 season » 75 weeks ago
That was a pretty good wild card weekend. Dallas getting throttled the highlight.
Im so sick of the NFL turning into the Taylor Swift show. It's beyond ridiculous. I had to skip that game after they showed her a handful of times. I can't stand that look on her face. She gets off on it.
#103 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 76 weeks ago
The elephant in the room is what happened to the songwriting.
Obviously we know he's one of the greatest songwriters of his generation and indeed probably all time...
I no longer believe this.
An incredible singer with a unique voice and insane charisma who showed flashes of brilliance creatively.
The majority of his career, including what should've been his prime/second act, completely squandered on a project he couldn't even finish.
Most accounts suggest that of the many pieces submitted by brain/bucklet/robin most never got lyrics.
Of the songs post Chinese Democracy - it's the same story - but these ones were put out without the additional inspiration. Hardschool is mostly choruses with a long instrumental in the middle. Absurd is a classic rant repeated over and over with no third verse or chorus. Perhaps is the most developed - but even it fundamentally repeats itself from half way through. The general is what one verse and one chorus repeated three times without an outro. Don't get me wrong I love these songs, but it's clear the difference between these and Novermber Rain or Coma was these songs were waiting for additional ideas that don't exist.
CD II was never finished. It's not even open to debate anymore. We've now heard the meat and potatoes of it.
CD II is basically overproduced demos with shitty mixes with a quickly whipped up verse+chorus verging on placeholders but he never went back to any of it.
Don't know what to tell you now...
Yeah...that's pretty obvious.
I'm no longer surprised why none of this came out in the 2010s. It's a miracle we ever got any of it.
Now we just need to hear Oklahoma and Seven. Then it's a wrap.
The General is undoubtedly one of the worst songs in the entire GNR catalogue
I wouldn't go that far...but I'm with you in spirit.
It wants to be an epic but it can't because the writer gave up before properly finishing the damn thing.
#104 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 76 weeks ago
James wrote:Any examples of trip hop with intentionally shitty mixes?
I didn't realize that was some sort of element of the genre.
I guess Portishead is doing it wrong.
Brain & Melissa:
You can have a listen and have an opinion.Never mentioned trip hop but I liked the irony. You must be fun at parties.
You think that's intentionally shitty and not simply low budget? If intentional, they did a terrible job conveying that.
You didn't have to mention trip hop. The General is obviously in that category regardless of who mentions it.
I used to be fun at parties...but then I got old.
Sorry for the long delay. I was in the hospital for a minor procedure, caught some horrifying flu, and almost died. Never been in the hospital that long before. It was hell.
#105 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 80 weeks ago
Any examples of trip hop with intentionally shitty mixes?
I didn't realize that was some sort of element of the genre.
I guess Portishead is doing it wrong. 
#106 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 80 weeks ago
Yeah...there was real artistry to the sport back then.
Just look at someone like Jake Roberts...he could sell a situation just by how he looked in the camera while talking.
This is also a great example...
Cornette's conniption fit while this is happening is beyond perfection and I don't think it goes anywhere without it. It tells the whole story. A casual or non-fan could watch that and understand what's happening and that it's major shit.
#107 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 80 weeks ago
Ummagumma is a pretty crazy album….
Too crazy.
They're all really lucky that Waters took over the band and hit his stride quickly.
The few albums where they're splitting songwriting duties are really uneven. You see glimpses of the coming greatness but they needed razor sharp focus for it to blossom.
A good example is Atom Heart Mother. They're trying to do a crazy epic album before they're ready and it shows. Both Waters and Gilmour hate the album now.
#108 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 80 weeks ago
I was watching/listening to Pink Floyd at Pompeii while getting dinner ready. This came on....
It's too bad they couldn't cook up an epic of that nature when Axl wasn't bringing much lyrics to the table. That song has only a few words yet it doesn't take anything away...feels like a strength, not a weakness.
Well, if he has lost the interest you have two options:
1- release it with the members that worked on them (Robin, Bucket etc)
2- don't release it and start writtng new music with Slash and Duff.But if Slash can't improve what Robin-Bucket did, and you've lost interest in that material then don't release it in a worse version than the originals.
I prefer all the demos than the final product (HS, Absurd, Perhaps and only TG we don't have the Robin-Bucket demo)
The issue with that is that it's not and never was feasible. We were never getting "the second half of Chinese".
The reunion and the eventual drop in ticket sales is what created the environment for us to finally get a few spoonfed to us.
If the reunion doesn't happen, we're not listening to these songs.
It was Slash or bust.... funny in hindsight.
#109 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 80 weeks ago
This board and the conspiracy theories and negativity is a bit too much. All the songs during the Chinese era suffer from the same issues. We get it.
The opinions posted here aren't really any different than the other forums or social media...
People either like it or hate it and both sides agree the mix is pure shit and rollout of the 7" vinyl beyond embarrassing.
You want to see real negativity check out the Hoffman forum.
I'm also glad we have it. I'd rather have it in below average quality than not getting to hear it while imagining it's some Pink Floyd epic they're sitting on.
On a side note…..Monsters is killer after tons of listens
Yeah and I really hope they don't fuck up the quality of this one if/when it gets released.
Monsters is a keeper and could easily enter my regular rotation.
In my opinion The General It is not great but I don't think it's bad either, the production is horrible, the mix is something that I could but there are great parts inside of the song.
There's a good song trying to dig its way out of the mess.
Said it before but I'd love to see a Grade A producer tackle this song. I bet it could be improved immensely even though it does feel incomplete.
I'm starting to think this way too. This was Axl's real project from 1994 until... I don't know, maybe 2011, when his plans to release "CD Part II" were sabotaged in favor of bringing the original Guns lineup back together.
I think from this point on, Axl has lost his appetite for Chinese food.
I don't even blame him. It was literally a lifetime ago. You can't sustain interest in a project for that long... especially one with so many collosal blunders.
I just wish he had closed the chapter with a real EP/LP release instead of how the second half of the saga has played out.
#110 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 80 weeks ago
James wrote:Can't happen because it wasn't an actual band. They were rarely together, the different cliques cane up with songs on a whim while eating Chinese food or digging through Ben Hur samples, no one wants to go to the studio that smells like dog shit, list goes on.
We're lucky we got as many songs as we did. It's also not that surprising that songs left off the album all have issues. It was no longer a real project at that point.
As far as Slash goes, the real travesty isn't that he couldn't have worked on these specific songs....it's that the 93-94 GNR probably has their own Achtung Baby in 96-97 in some alternate timeline that took them to the next level.
Fans lost out on so much. Keith Richards was right....you never leave.
Yeesh, I totally blanked out the dog poop part of the saga.
But (he will deny this if ever asked), the spectre of Slash was still hanging over the entire project at that point. He still couldn't move on. You see it in all the stuff around the time period (the embarrassing rants, set lists etc). It became less of a band/solo project as time moved on.
This reminds me of the line from that U2 song...
Choose your enemies wisely because they will define you
