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#1091 Re: The Garden » The NFL 2007-08 Season thread » 917 weeks ago
How many years does the guy get a free pass with growing pains? The guy was handed the starting job without even earning it. Fuck growing pains. If the Giants felt he was ready to carry the franchise, then I think year 3 is time to stop the excuses. They had a proven QB at the helm(Warner) and just tossed him aside mid season so Eli could have some growing pains and because his last name was Manning. Here we are three years later, the team has went downhill in that time frame, and Coughlin is REALLY close to losing his job there.
The team has slid in the Eli era. He is as predictable as a sunset. Plays ok early in the season, starts sucking, and then the Giants slide. repeat every year. I do think they will make the playoffs, but if the usual Eli regression happens, there is a chance they will miss the playoffs. A few teams are right on their trail.
As a hardcore Giants fan, I want to ask you this question: How many more years of "growing pains" are allowed before you are willing to call him a bust and have the team try and pick up the pieces?
Different QBs develop at different rates. In fact, I think Eli has developed nicely. Would I like him to have to developed quicker? Sure, but he is fine as of now.
Warner was brought in as a stop gap and to make the transition easier for Eli. He came in knowing what he was being brought here for. They Giants got Eli in the draft, and then signed Warner shortly thereafter. He knew what he was coming in for. And it has nothing to do with his last name. You dont get drafted based on your last name. NFL teams dont draft that high based on name alone. This isnt the NBA.
This is the third year Eli has started. The Giants are also on their way to making the playoffs for the third straight year. Eli has nothing to do with that, right? They won the division his first year starting. Nothing to do with that either? Also, can you tell me how they slide every year under Eli? They started the season in 2005 6-2, the second half they were 5-3. Yeah they sure slid then didnt they. In 2006, 6-2 to start, and finished 2-6. Yes that did suck, but there were other factors involved if you really want to get into that.
#1092 Re: The Garden » Redskins safety Sean Taylor dead at 24 (Updated) » 917 weeks ago
Absoutly terrible. Apparently he was giving an honest effort at turning his life around. I feel so bad for his girlfriend, and most importantly his 18 month old. As a new parent, that hits home.
R.I.P. #21
#1093 Re: The Garden » The NFL 2007-08 Season thread » 917 weeks ago
Re: New England
They are going to have to be very careful. They do have a weakness and it has been exposed this past week, and against Dallas. Their defense is getting older and slower. It may come down to a game where Brady cant put up 40+ in a game, and the defense isnt stopping the opponent. This definatly bears watching in the next few games.
#1094 Re: The Garden » The NFL 2007-08 Season thread » 917 weeks ago
NY Giants82 wrote:Jameslofton wrote:Before I break down these standings a bit, am I the only person who thinks Eli should be a backup QB? Giants should offer him as trade bait at the end of the season while he still has a bit of value.
Oh please. Give me a fucking break. You're smarter than this James. He had a bad game, it happens to the best of them ya know. I think I remember Peyton having a 6 INT game this year, his 11th season! It happens.
The game yesterday was a team loss. On offense, the line wasnt blocking for shit, Eli had no time, he made mistakes, there were at least 5 drops, our number 1 reciever is playing on one ankle, our top two RBs were out of this game. This loss does not go soley on Eli, there is enough blame to go around.
The Giants can recover from this. I remember a VERY similar game in 2005, where Eli threw 4 INTs against Minnesota. They lost that game, and rebounded. They even won the division that year. I'm not saying they are going to win the division, cause that would require a catastrophic collapse by Dallas, but they are in fine position for the wild card spots. They can beat Seattle or Tampa. They will be fine.
A bad game?? Add an s to the end of that. Happens to "the best of them"? Eli doesn't even come close to being allowed in that category, and even comparisons to his brother are laughable.
I know you NY fans probably cherish this guy, and hope that he somehow lives up to the potential put on him since his last name is Manning. Not gonna happen. He has been about as inconsistent as you can possibly get. Has he shown moments of possible greatness over the past few years? Sure, but his mistakes override whatever greatness there is.
He'll be regarded alongside other good but not great QBs like Neil Lomax, Dave Krieg, Chris Chandler,etc.
Yeah, they will likely make it into the playoffs as long as they only lose one more game in the closing stretch, but they aren't going deep in the playoffs. They MIGHT beat Seattle as that is a terrible team, but no way in hell do they win in Tampa.
If Dallas is the real deal, it will likely be years until NY wins that division again.
I never said he belonged in that catagory right now, but it DOES happen to the best of them, like say his brother! You are really showing that you dont understand ALL young QBs are going to have growing pains. You cant compare Eli right now, to say, Peyton right now. QBs come along at different times. I'm honestly shocked that you are saying the stuff you are. I was as upset as anyone with his game the other day, but that shit happens! If he hadnt shown flashes of GREATNESS so far in his career, then you might have a point, but as is, you are way off.
Dallas, as of now, is better than the Giants, but the Giants arent that far off.
#1095 Re: The Garden » The NFL 2007-08 Season thread » 917 weeks ago
Philly is a real possibility as well. They impressed the hell out of me last night.
#1096 Re: The Garden » The NFL 2007-08 Season thread » 917 weeks ago
Before I break down these standings a bit, am I the only person who thinks Eli should be a backup QB? Giants should offer him as trade bait at the end of the season while he still has a bit of value.
Oh please. Give me a fucking break. You're smarter than this James. He had a bad game, it happens to the best of them ya know. I think I remember Peyton having a 6 INT game this year, his 11th season! It happens.
The game yesterday was a team loss. On offense, the line wasnt blocking for shit, Eli had no time, he made mistakes, there were at least 5 drops, our number 1 reciever is playing on one ankle, our top two RBs were out of this game. This loss does not go soley on Eli, there is enough blame to go around.
The Giants can recover from this. I remember a VERY similar game in 2005, where Eli threw 4 INTs against Minnesota. They lost that game, and rebounded. They even won the division that year. I'm not saying they are going to win the division, cause that would require a catastrophic collapse by Dallas, but they are in fine position for the wild card spots. They can beat Seattle or Tampa. They will be fine.
#1097 Re: The Garden » The 10 Greatest RBs of all time elimination- Round 3 » 917 weeks ago
Its getting tough, but I will go with Thomas.
#1098 Re: The Garden » The 10 Greatest RBs of all time elimination- Round 3 » 917 weeks ago
Its getting tough, but I will go with Thomas.
#1099 Re: The Sunset Strip » QUIET RIOT - KEVIN DUBROW Dead At 52 Confirmed Accidental Overdose » 917 weeks ago
THis sucks. I met him a few years ago, and he was pretty cool. I was always a big fan of Quiet Riot.
Bang your head...
#1100 Re: The Sunset Strip » "What Are You Listening To" Thread » 918 weeks ago
Sebastian Bach: "Angel Down"
