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#1121 Re: The Garden » Man finds condom in his burger from Burger King » 915 weeks ago

Backslash wrote:

Did the guy order extra pickles and secret sauce?

So...it was YOU wasn't it!?  BASTARD!! 

(Just for the record Backslash often gets secret sauce and unwrapped condoms)  16

#1122 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Mist (SPOILERS) » 915 weeks ago

I see the ending differently.  I did not feel like it was one of the cliche endings, in fact I hate those sorts.  The "shock" ending has been made popular again since the Scream movies...sometimes for the good but more often than not for the bad.  An example of the bad is the basic "It was all a dream" ending.  To me that just spells the writer got brain-constipation and could not come up with a good ending.  (You fellow writers know the ending is the hardest part of writing any fictional story in most cases).  An example of a good "shock ending" is the Sixth Sense.  The ending is solid and (for the most part) will surprise people in an intellectual way, not a "cheap shot".  This ending is more of the "good" shock ending in my opinion.  Now for the reasons.

In the novella the male lead character, the woman, the old lady and the boy leave together (I don't remember the elderly man being with them but it's been a decade or better since I read this story) and the situation is pretty much like what happens in the movie (up to the point where they run out of gas).  The roads and enviroment are in bad shape and the creatures have seemingly took ownership of the world we know.  At some point the man turns on a multiband radio and believes (hopes) he has heard someone speak.  This gives him hope others have survived.  The frequency had been set to receive from Hartford (I believe) so he plans on driving there the next morning.  In the meanwhile he, the boy, the woman and the elderly lady are going to crash at a Hojo's they see at the turnpike.  He basically writes down the events that have happened and leaves the written account for someone to find.  He then says he is going to go to sleep but first will whisper two words into his son's ears: Hope and Hartford.  To me this has a sort of "Hope Springs Eternal" type of ending and leaves the story's ending up to the reader.  My imagined ending (the "half full" approach I suppose) was they would find that some people had survived and the creatures had either not found a way to adapt to our planet or we had found a way to stop them.  Not a bad ending and still works ok with the story.

The movie ending (though not the "half full" approach) actually fits better.  One reason The Mist works is not the just story itself but the sub-stories skillfully weaved into the threads of the novella as a whole.  While many human themes are explored (paranoia, pride, delirium, vengeance, etc) the most prominent is that of when man vs life-threatening chaos, man will fail, often fail by his own poor choices.  This is evident from the pill-suicide from the one lady in the store, the self-hanging of the two military guys in the back of the storeroom, the teenager's desire to show his "manhood" by going outside when he knew better and, of course, the lead character's decision to take the other's lives by reasoning there was nothing left to do.  While we all would probably feel the same way the fact is it was the wrong choice and held true to the Mist's dark themes.  For that reason I feel the ending was brilliant.  Not one anyone would find "uplifting" by any means but more true to the horror that was the Mist.  It simply works.

Best movie this year, hands down.

#1123 Re: The Garden » Man finds condom in his burger from Burger King » 915 weeks ago

I agree James, his biting down harder AFTER tasting something wrong and then waiting before telling the story = bullshit.  I'd be so pissed I would have been in jail for going in and tearing somebody's head off, no way in fuck I'd be passive enough to go through that and wait.

#1124 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Mist (SPOILERS) » 916 weeks ago

1408 was good but I would still prefer the Mist.  Did you notice the "movie poster" for the Dark Tower?  I wonder if this is a small hint that we may FINALLY see the Dark Tower on the big screen?

I can't say much about the ending yet as not to run it for DTJ or others who may be watching the Mist this weekend but it was a huge shock.  I thought the movie was excellent and the ending (although different than the book) was very powerful.   You were right James, no way could you read the novella again without having altered emotions than of those you read before viewing the movie.

Tomorrow we'll discuss this, maybe you could add a "spoiler warning" on the title of the thread just to be safe.  Definitely a great movie and a very bold move to go with that ending.  Even more impressive that it works.   Very hard to alter such a well-known/loved story and have a good outcome but I think the producer managed to do just that.  Not saying I prefer it to the novella's ending but I definitely see this new ending as a strong alternative.

#1125 Re: The Garden » Man finds condom in his burger from Burger King » 916 weeks ago

Tommie wrote:

It was unwrapped. 

I'm a naturally paranoid person, so if this were to happen to me I'd be having a heart attack just thinking about all the diseases that I may have just gotten.

I read that and had just deleted my reply ("at least it was wrapped") before I saw this post, sorry. 

I have to agree with you on the paranoia thing.  When it comes to something like that I would be scared shitless too.  Don't want to even imagine what could be going on in the body after biting into a used "raincoat"!!  I kind of think this dude is lying though based on the reasons I gave earlier.  Let's hope he is anyway.

#1126 Re: The Garden » Man finds condom in his burger from Burger King » 916 weeks ago

Why would he bite down a little harder after tasting "a very sour, bitter sort of taste" that "almost had a numbing sensation?"  Sounds like bullshit to me circa the Wendy's "finger in the chili" sort.

#1127 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Mist (SPOILERS) » 916 weeks ago

Jameslofton wrote:

Alot of King's fans have a special place for that story, and for it to be altered even slightly does change the dynamics of the emotions created by reading the novella.

Sounds like I'm down on that ending. I'm not, but it definitely changes the desperation and overall malaise(not sure if thats really the right word to use, but you've read it so you know what I mean) of the story.

The new ending does pack a punch and is emotional, but on a different level. I can see why King liked it, but I can also see that he may have had hesitation in allowing it. You'll never be able to read that story again and feel the emotions you used to feel while reading it.

With the exception of the original Shining, there are few times that changes to a King story has worked out well.  In fact that is one of the main reasons many of his film adaptions have been less than stellar.  However in this case I am intrigued.  You and I have very similar tastes (outside of Baz's music 16) and I expect I will like it, the question will be whether or not as much as the original ending.  For the ending to change the overall flavor of the story means it must be a signficant change.  I actually liked the ending in the book so I'll be very interested in the last few minutes of this movie in particular.  If everthing works out well I will try and catch this one tonight.  As you stated already the timing for this movie to come out was obviously much less than the ideal opportune time so if I don't go now I may have to wait for the dvd releas.

#1128 The Garden » Early copy of Magna Carta on sale » 916 weeks ago

Gunslinger
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One of the most important documents in our history is up for sale.  Can you imagine the cash this is going to bring in?

Early copy of Magna Carta on sale in NYC By RICHARD PYLE, Associated Press Writer
Fri Dec 7, 4:17 AM ET

NEW YORK - In the year 1215, a group of English barons handed King John a document written on parchment. Put your royal seal on this, they said. John did, and forever changed the relationship between the monarchy and those it governed.

The document was the Magna Carta, a declaration of human rights that would set some of the guiding principles for democracy as it is known today.

While that original edict was initially ignored and John died the next year, its key ideas were included in other variations over the next few decades, most notably the right of Habeas Corpus, which protects citizens against unlawful imprisonment. More than 800 years later, about 17 copies survive, and one of those, signed by King Edward I in 1297, will go up for sale Dec. 18 at Sotheby's.

The document, which Sotheby's vice chairman David Redden calls "the most important document in the world," is expected to fetch a record $20-30 million.

While earlier versions of the royal edict were written and then ignored, Redden said, "the 1297 Magna Carta became the operative version, the one that was entered into English common law and became the law of the land," ultimately effecting democracies around the world.

Today, its impact is felt by perhaps a third of the world's people, he said. This includes all of North America, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, Australia and other areas that made up the British Commonwealth.

"When it's something as enormously important as this, you try to get a handle on it," he said. "It is absolutely correct to say the Magna Carta is the birth certificate of freedom. It states the bedrock principle that no person is above the law '” that is the essence of it."

Only two copies of the Magna Carta exist outside Britain, one in Australia and the one Sotheby's is auctioning off.

An earlier Magna Carta version was loaned by Britain to the United States for its bicentennial celebration in 1976, but suggestions that it be made a permanent gift were rejected.

The 1279 Magna Carta was forced on Edward I by barons unhappy over taxes imposed to pay for his military campaigns in France, Wales and against Scottish rebel William Wallace. The levies were approved in the king's absence by his 13-year-old son, Prince Edward.

Written in medieval Latin on sheepskin that after 710 years remains intact and legible, the 1297 Magna Carta was owned for five centuries by a British family that put it up for sale in the early 1980s.

From 1988 until a few months ago, it was exhibited in a custom-designed, gold-plated container at the National Archives in Washington, a few feet from its direct descendants, the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

"As the only non-American document in there, many would love to see it go back" on display, said Redden, who will wield the hammer. He said the auction will be open to the public, but being a single lot sale, might not take longer than five minutes.

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#1129 Re: The Garden » Steelers' DB GUARANTEES Upset of New England » 916 weeks ago

I don't hate the Pats Neemo, I actually have alot of respect for them and not much dislike.  My biggest thing is I don't think Brady is at the same level at Peyton Manning,  yet because he has a better supporting cast he gets treated like he is the best QB ever.  The other thing is I simply don't want to see them go undefeated, not that I hate them I just hate to see that record broken just yet.  Nostalgia setting in I suppose even though the Dolphins aren't my team and their perfect season was before my time.   One good thing about the Patriots...it finally got you into a REAL sport, FOOTBALL!!    (just playing...sort of!)

#1130 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Mist (SPOILERS) » 916 weeks ago

Damn James, I guess I'm gonna have to go watch this bad boy after that review.  I'll have to catch a buzz first I guess...I fuckin' hate theaters!!!

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