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#111 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
Any examples of trip hop with intentionally shitty mixes?
I didn't realize that was some sort of element of the genre.
I guess Portishead is doing it wrong. 
#112 Re: The Garden » The Wrestling thread » 92 weeks ago
Yeah...there was real artistry to the sport back then.
Just look at someone like Jake Roberts...he could sell a situation just by how he looked in the camera while talking.
This is also a great example...
Cornette's conniption fit while this is happening is beyond perfection and I don't think it goes anywhere without it. It tells the whole story. A casual or non-fan could watch that and understand what's happening and that it's major shit.
#113 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
Ummagumma is a pretty crazy album….
Too crazy.
They're all really lucky that Waters took over the band and hit his stride quickly.
The few albums where they're splitting songwriting duties are really uneven. You see glimpses of the coming greatness but they needed razor sharp focus for it to blossom.
A good example is Atom Heart Mother. They're trying to do a crazy epic album before they're ready and it shows. Both Waters and Gilmour hate the album now.
#114 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
I was watching/listening to Pink Floyd at Pompeii while getting dinner ready. This came on....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtZqNAI4pBk
It's too bad they couldn't cook up an epic of that nature when Axl wasn't bringing much lyrics to the table. That song has only a few words yet it doesn't take anything away...feels like a strength, not a weakness.
Well, if he has lost the interest you have two options:
1- release it with the members that worked on them (Robin, Bucket etc)
2- don't release it and start writtng new music with Slash and Duff.But if Slash can't improve what Robin-Bucket did, and you've lost interest in that material then don't release it in a worse version than the originals.
I prefer all the demos than the final product (HS, Absurd, Perhaps and only TG we don't have the Robin-Bucket demo)
The issue with that is that it's not and never was feasible. We were never getting "the second half of Chinese".
The reunion and the eventual drop in ticket sales is what created the environment for us to finally get a few spoonfed to us.
If the reunion doesn't happen, we're not listening to these songs.
It was Slash or bust.... funny in hindsight.
#115 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
This board and the conspiracy theories and negativity is a bit too much. All the songs during the Chinese era suffer from the same issues. We get it.
The opinions posted here aren't really any different than the other forums or social media...
People either like it or hate it and both sides agree the mix is pure shit and rollout of the 7" vinyl beyond embarrassing.
You want to see real negativity check out the Hoffman forum.
I'm also glad we have it. I'd rather have it in below average quality than not getting to hear it while imagining it's some Pink Floyd epic they're sitting on.
On a side note…..Monsters is killer after tons of listens
Yeah and I really hope they don't fuck up the quality of this one if/when it gets released.
Monsters is a keeper and could easily enter my regular rotation.
In my opinion The General It is not great but I don't think it's bad either, the production is horrible, the mix is something that I could but there are great parts inside of the song.
There's a good song trying to dig its way out of the mess.
Said it before but I'd love to see a Grade A producer tackle this song. I bet it could be improved immensely even though it does feel incomplete.
I'm starting to think this way too. This was Axl's real project from 1994 until... I don't know, maybe 2011, when his plans to release "CD Part II" were sabotaged in favor of bringing the original Guns lineup back together.
I think from this point on, Axl has lost his appetite for Chinese food.
I don't even blame him. It was literally a lifetime ago. You can't sustain interest in a project for that long... especially one with so many collosal blunders.
I just wish he had closed the chapter with a real EP/LP release instead of how the second half of the saga has played out.
#116 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
James wrote:Can't happen because it wasn't an actual band. They were rarely together, the different cliques cane up with songs on a whim while eating Chinese food or digging through Ben Hur samples, no one wants to go to the studio that smells like dog shit, list goes on.
We're lucky we got as many songs as we did. It's also not that surprising that songs left off the album all have issues. It was no longer a real project at that point.
As far as Slash goes, the real travesty isn't that he couldn't have worked on these specific songs....it's that the 93-94 GNR probably has their own Achtung Baby in 96-97 in some alternate timeline that took them to the next level.
Fans lost out on so much. Keith Richards was right....you never leave.
Yeesh, I totally blanked out the dog poop part of the saga.
But (he will deny this if ever asked), the spectre of Slash was still hanging over the entire project at that point. He still couldn't move on. You see it in all the stuff around the time period (the embarrassing rants, set lists etc). It became less of a band/solo project as time moved on.
This reminds me of the line from that U2 song...
Choose your enemies wisely because they will define you
#117 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
I want to hear what 1994 Slash would have done for an outro on this too.
Like think of the guitars on UYI and Snakepit 1 - how he never used to miss an opportunity to push himself and frankly kinda show off a bit almost like trying to establish himself as a guitar-god. I want that slash on this material.
Right as the song ends it's like he's hit the sweet spot and ripping into those runs...then it just stops...I feel the early 90s band if they were friends (IF, if if!!!!) would have been it running a bit longer and jammed that out.
Yeah...it's all a bottomless pit of missed opportunity.
Take it the other direction...Finck and/or Bucket trying to take the initiative.
Can't happen because it wasn't an actual band. They were rarely together, the different cliques cane up with songs on a whim while eating Chinese food or digging through Ben Hur samples, no one wants to go to the studio that smells like dog shit, list goes on.
We're lucky we got as many songs as we did. It's also not that surprising that songs left off the album all have issues. It was no longer a real project at that point.
As far as Slash goes, the real travesty isn't that he couldn't have worked on these specific songs....it's that the 93-94 GNR probably has their own Achtung Baby in 96-97 in some alternate timeline that took them to the next level.
Fans lost out on so much. Keith Richards was right....you never leave.
#118 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
The more I listen, I love the lyrics, the awesome vocal melody and the spooky guitar.
If I want to find problems I would note that all of these new songs had a lot of repeats. They are all awesome song concepts that feel a touch unfinished somehow, and I think its that they all feel like they need a new 3rd verse or something of that nature.
General for instance feels like the build up part of one of Axl's epics. But it doesn't complete. Hell, Slash sounds like he's just getting warmed up to go nuts when it ends, I think it needed a huge guitar outro whole Axl kept up with those screamy bits in the background...
It's like NR if it didn't have the two slash solos or the outro, or breadown with out the outro, or locomotive if it was just 1 verse. Basically I think what is there is awesome but it feels incomplete. I wonder if Axl felt this too and that's why these songs were held over so many years - waiting for an idea that never came? Maybe not too though.
Anyways despite my bitching I do enjoy all this new music, and i'm so glad he's finally sharing things again.
Nail on head.
The song itself is ok for what it is...a good song he could've turned into a damn good song had he ever went back to it and finished it.
They sound unfinished because they are. They get one verse and a chorus and to stretch out the song (s) to full length, they repeat.
On the other hand...the main issues here are the horrid production/mixing issues. There's just no excusing it at this point. They are on too high of a level for their material to be this quality.
I wish he did full length, honest interviews on this saga. He obviously abandoned the project at some point and considering how much time has transpired, I'd like to know why. I'd also like to know why they don't take this material to Guthrie, O Brien, Padgham, fuck... anyone else.
It's why it's easy for the fan base to assume they don't give a shit because it's all so low effort.
#119 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
Ok i've looked everywhere for the monsters and i cant find it on the internet at all, it's been scrubbed everywhere.
Someone hook me up please (DM ME)
The "official audio" video has 196k views so far.
Some sort of "influencer" may have spread it somewhere. That's a hefty jump for them so quickly.
#120 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 92 weeks ago
Looks like the audiophiles aren't even gonna bother dissecting the track this time...
