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#121 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks on the album better than the Rough Mixes » 251 weeks ago
James wrote:Yeah that's a good post but I don't believe Sorry isn't about Slash. It's pretty obvious. If he didn't want people jumping to that conclusion or not buying his denial, maybe he shouldn't have spent years pissing and moaning about him. Hell...even Beta was obsessed with him to the point she would spend hours talking about him on the phone with MSL.
It's about Slash. It also sounds like it's aimed at fans too.
Axl literally said it's not about Slash.
Axl lies all the time.
#122 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks on the album better than the Rough Mixes » 251 weeks ago
otto wrote:Street of Dreams to me is the most obvious about Slash song.
IRS and Madagascar about the old band breakupWe all impose our interpretation based on what information we have, but none of us know this. The Blues could just as easily be about Seymour, Everly, Duff, his mailman or a dog that died. We have no idea what combination of events and creative liberties occurred through the first 40 years of his life to inspire the various lyrics. Sure, I think This I Love is about Seymour, because it was written in that era originally and Axl publicly said the breakup was hard on him. That's one relationship out of many this man had that inspired his poetry? I have no idea of any of the other relationships that didn't cover the front of Rolling Stone or serve as the basis for the trilogy of videos.
This I love is 100% about Steph. One of the versions at the end had Axl saying I love you Stephanie. But Axl had the producer delete that version of the song back in the day. Also Axl wanted a song for Dylan to show how he felt about Steph and TIL was that song.
#123 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks on the album better than the Rough Mixes » 251 weeks ago
Which movie was TIL rumored to be in?
The Robin Williams one, what dreams may come.
#124 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks on the album better than the Rough Mixes » 251 weeks ago
James wrote:I warmed up to it a bit years later but it's a song I never listen to.
I would like to hear the original version someday. I don't believe that the master tape was destroyed.
I think I tried listening to it a while ago and couldn't make it through the entire song. I would like to hear the original and whatever demos of that song too; only because it's origins were from the Illusion era.
its not like the lyrics will be different. Maybe the vocal track. But the original was just Axl and a piano and that was it.
It was so bad the director of that movie rejected the song. Who the hell would ever reject a GnR song unless it was shit. And this was in the mid 90s when GNR was still huge. So just think about that for a minute.
#125 Re: Guns N' Roses » Who wrote Oklahoma? » 251 weeks ago
It's actually not that strange when you think about it.
The band had never had a revolving door of musicians....until that point.
It's pretty strange. IMO it's the last thing they needed at that point in time. It's diluting everything, they're quickly losing the plot, and how can issues get resolved in such an environment?
I suspect Axl wasn't really running a "parallel GN'R" with people like Sid Riggs and Gary Sunshine; they were there to lay down tracks on Axl's demos that he was presenting to the band.
The shadow lineups thing is an established fact. Were they actually IN one of these lineups or just orbiting them? We don't know... although I do lean more in your direction when it comes to these specific guys.
I'm amazed that anyone could keep track of the whole thing. On top of various concurrently running lineups, there's instrumentals on the Village Sessions discs that are clearly not even GNR.... it's Bucket, Brain, Scaturro, and God only knows who else.
Can you imagine any band not named Steely Dan operating like this?
Prom Violence, Billionaire, Dub Suplex, real doll, and a few others are clearly stuff BH did with Brain and brought to Axl.
#126 Re: Guns N' Roses » Who wrote Oklahoma? » 251 weeks ago
Here's an interesting quote for those who believe some of the Village Sessions originated before the CD era officially kicked off.....
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"You played in a rather bizarre version of Guns n Roses in the mid-90s - Sid Riggs was on drums I believe, who else was involved? Paul Tobias?
KB: Well now, keep in mind Sid and I were recording on demos. Paul was involved. If you talk to him, tell him to call me too. He’s a great guy. As for the recordings, across the mixer were such people as Slash, Zakk, Matt, Duff, Dizzy, and a host of others. We were all a part of putting tracks down on the demos. So, it was never a "version" of the band. It was fun though... The only time I really talked to [Axl] was up at that particular Halloween party at his house. He was never there when I was doing any playing. He told me he liked the bass parts and asked if I was getting paid on time, gotta love that. " (Krys Baratto, Sp1at, 04/15/05)
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Absolutely bizarre. A huge revolving door WHILE Slash, Duff, and Matt were still in the band.
Since at least some version of Oklahoma existed, even if incredibly basic( like Soundgarden's Lemon Days, first demo of Fell On Black Days) in 1994....its possible (likely) that this revolving door of musicians worked on it...even if only fleshing it out in a jam session.
This would be 1994-96.
Zakk was jamming with GNR in 1995.
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We have been doing mostly Axl's material. (Slash chat, 10/16/96)
We are working on rock songs that last only 4 minutes (laughs). We already did 7 songs and we will write 7 others. (Matt, 09/23/96)
The songs are really good, and I have a good vibe about it. (Slash, Kerrang, 09/21/96)
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7 songs that are 4 minutes in length?
Matt... would one of those happen to be Oklahoma which clocks in at 4:21?
I think rebel came from those sessions since it sounds like something Zakk would write.
#127 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks on the album better than the Rough Mixes » 252 weeks ago
AgesOfTheIce wrote:I kinda disagree with this. I think what makes Axl a great songwriter is how personal he is, and we know his hatred of Slash was a major obsession of his for almost two decades. I would rather he write about what he's feeling than try to write something more substantive if he's not into it. Sorry might come off as petty but he's pouring his emotions out there.
Here's my main issue with his lyrics always revolving around Slash, other members, Steph, and fans.....
What else does he have to say? Look at how the world had changed since 1991. He didn't have anything to say artistically about the changing times?
Any relationships after Steph? He never had children...does he have anything to say about this? In the early 90s he talked about being abused in his youth.
None of these things were ever conveyed in his work...and it's a shame.
It seemed like the lyrics of Civil War were coming from someone who has a lot to say.... instead it is an anomaly.
he has a couple songs like that but not many
Cather in the rye is one example. but you are right Axl is pretty much one or two noted for the CD era stuff. Its all about him being fucked over either by his ex or slash and the old band or mangers.
#128 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks on the album better than the Rough Mixes » 252 weeks ago
davegnfnr2k wrote:AgesOfTheIce wrote:I kinda disagree with this. I think what makes Axl a great songwriter is how personal he is, and we know his hatred of Slash was a major obsession of his for almost two decades. I would rather he write about what he's feeling than try to write something more substantive if he's not into it. Sorry might come off as petty but he's pouring his emotions out there.
sorry has some really cringe lyrics
like i don't want to do it
or ill kick your ass like I saidthe chorus is great but that is about it
some of the lyrics are good but at least 50% could be better.BHs great guitar work was wasted.
Isn’t it more the way he says ‘i don’t want to do it’?
I am not sure even if he sang that line normally it would come off well.
#129 Re: Guns N' Roses » If The World.... » 252 weeks ago
I've said it for years and after hearing the Village Sessions, it reinforced it....
Do you know what could have saved the album in 2000-01 from the Ezrins and Iovines, label politics, and from a legacy that tarnished the band and by proxy his career?
Napster.
2001 was the fork in the road....go big or go home. The moment the label essentially shit canned the project, leak the damn thing on Napster. Not only does it force the label's hand to rush a release, it does so under a wave of massive promo and if you time it with Rio......it's a game changer.
Harmon is right....the Village Sessions prove there is an album ready to go. Cherry pick the best, give it a proper mix/master, and wrap it in cellophane, and strap it to the launch pad.
Is it an album of massive epics and other hyped nonsense?
No....but it didn't really need to be. It just needed to be a decent comeback record and a first concrete step to establishing new GNR as its own entity.
The only legitimate issue he had is with the lineup. The album (at the time) is in flux. It has an outside yet famous guitarist on 3 songs, he has a new guitar whiz as a recent addition, the lead guitarist slot is wide open (issues with Finck).
This is a solvable issue.
Tell the band members you wish to include, "it's on like Donkey Kong. Get your shit together and be ready to roll".
You can promote Mays contributions as a guest appearance. If not releasing those songs as singles, it's even less of an issue.
One of the band's problems... start to finish...and a big part of this is due to constant shit management....is the need to turn molehills into Mt Everest sized obstacles.
If you can get the album out in that late 2000- mid 2001 period, it changes everything.
Axl didn't realize what or how much was at stake. He talked a big game during that period but other than the false start of HOB/Rio, there was zero follow through.
In 2002 and beyond, while the hardcore base acted like it was still the cat's meow, the project was actually a dead duck to be laughed at and mocked....its fate being a popcorn fart in the wind release and an eventual burial at Dollar Stores nationwide.
Then he stalled for 8 years delaying the inevitable. It was obvious even to the likes of Stevie Wonder that "the second half of Chinese" was never coming.
If CD was released in 2001/02 and you take the best of the village stuff it would have been an amazing album.
12 tracks
Chinese Democracy
Better
Hard School
Perhaps
Atlas
Catcher in the Rye
The blues
Madagascar
Prostitute
TWAT
Zodiac
Quick Song
That album would have been killer and album isn't even 70 minutes. You could add a couple more like
If the world, The Rebel, and Elvis
then you would have enough for a second album and a bunch of B side singles too
#130 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks on the album better than the Rough Mixes » 252 weeks ago
James wrote:Wagszilla wrote:I really wish "Sorry" had an alternative cut with better lyrics ala "Don't Cry (alt)".
This is why I will never bother listening to a fan edit of including the vocals on the demo.
The instrumental has a chilling doom and gloom, existential vibe to it.
It deserved so much more than being a song aimed at Slash and other "enemies".
I wish Bucket or someone had stood up to him and said that the lyrics aren't acceptable.
Having said that....
It’s harder to live with the truth about you, than to live with the lies about me’ is absolute gold.
One of his best lines ever.
I kinda disagree with this. I think what makes Axl a great songwriter is how personal he is, and we know his hatred of Slash was a major obsession of his for almost two decades. I would rather he write about what he's feeling than try to write something more substantive if he's not into it. Sorry might come off as petty but he's pouring his emotions out there.
sorry has some really cringe lyrics
like i don't want to do it
or ill kick your ass like I said
the chorus is great but that is about it
some of the lyrics are good but at least 50% could be better.
BHs great guitar work was wasted.
