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#121 Re: The Garden » NASA’s Curiosity rover finds ‘flower’ on surface of Mars » 650 weeks ago
Just a rock
#122 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 651 weeks ago
Sky Dog wrote:DCK wrote:What do you pay in tax anyway? It's Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr tax cuts that fucks shit up.
My world is simple and it has nothing to do with those three guys...I look at my paycheck. If it's more, I am happy (no matter who the president is). If it's less, I am not happy. 2013...awesome...nothing like a $5000 pay cut! Obama promised to protect the middle class. Honestly, I would be considered upper middle class but I am certainly not a one percenter. In the end, the middle class and I will NOT be doing better. So, you European idealists explain to me why that is? The Bush tax cuts helped me. The Obama whatever it is he is doing doesn't. I am the guy he is supposed to be protecting yet he (and Congress) are fucking me right in the ass.
In the end, the Bush tax cuts don't help you. Our economy cannot be sustained with those tax cuts. Its great at first, but prolonged they end up hurting the economy (which is what happened, among a myriad of Bush fuck ups), which is exactly why they were supposed to expire when they did. But they didn't.
You can't keep the payroll tax cut that Obama gave either. That has to end, because like the Bush tax cuts, they can't be sustained. Give people a little it's hard to get it back to normal. No one is going to be happy to do what's right. Like raising the age for medicare.
You have to hold your nose and take it. I don't think it should go all the way up to the Clinton era tax rates, but there's a reason the economy did so much better under him than any other president in the last 35 years. And taxes were way higher on the middle class than they are now.
No need for me as European to explain when misterID does it so well.
Not all European countries got it good, the southern countries have truly fucked shit up
If you don't tax, the economy will be ruined.
#123 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 651 weeks ago
fuck the gun control and drugs stuff, all I know is my taxes are going through the roof very soon...like tomorrow. Our congress and President can't agree on anything so it is another 4 years of shit except for this time I will be paying taxes out my ass.
What do you pay in tax anyway? It's Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr tax cuts that fucks shit up.
#124 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 651 weeks ago
And u saying we know nothing is insulting in turn to us, so I guess we are even, I bet I know more of your culture than u know of mine though
I second that.
And an epic LOL to the weather argument.
#125 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 652 weeks ago
Guns in the US is a bit like the cold war. One have a nuke, the other got a nuke. One got two nukes, the other get three nukes. Up until the point where everyone can destroy the planet 100 times over. Then they realized it perhaps was a bit of an overkill when they saw how a threat it had on our entire world, and decided to put some nuke control into action. Still not fixed entirely, but in some form of control since the late 80s.
But, it's not nukes that kill people. People do.
#126 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 652 weeks ago
I think what surprises me most, except this gun debate, is how you won't even listen to people living on your doorstep. One thing is to slag off Scandinavians with our liberal this and that, strict gun control and strict alcohol policies, another thing is to push out Bono and Neemo, people so American there ain't no difference between them and a handful of Americans in your own country. That surprises me plenty.
#127 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 652 weeks ago
I could get mugged and stabbed in Vancouver no different than Seattle.
Sure you can, and you can go to Amsterdam and enjoy the heroin capital of the world.
But is the chance of you being slaughtered by some psycho mass murderer with easy access to guns just as high as if you stayed in the good old USA?.
No.
Not at all.
Far from it.
I'd take a good old fashioned stabbing over a machine gun spray any day. Won't you?
#128 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 652 weeks ago
4. Mass killings have a direct link to mental illness. Since no one wants to hear about it, and I've already pointed out that there is a system to deal with this, with psychological profiles that HAVE been identified and HAS stopped many mass shootings and serial klillers, I'll not say anymore... Except BAN GUNS!
So we concluded that mass killings and school shootings in the US are directly connected to mental illness, since you got more nutjobs than the rest of us combined? Remove the nutjobs, and no shootings right? I would be interested in seeing the research on exactly WHY the US got more nutjobs than the rest of us.
You also get the wrong idea. It's not about banning guns. Do you think Norway has banned guns? Do you think Canada has banned guns? It's about common sense gun control. The rest of us got it. For the most part it works, statistically it works a lot better than what you got going on. You portray a black/white insight, it's either guns or NOT guns. It doesn't work like this.
Here's a bit of gun control
To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self defence, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.
There are special rules for collectors of guns. They are exempt from many parts of the regulation, but, in turn, they must meet even more narrow qualifications. Collectors may purchase, but not fire without permission, all kinds of guns in their respective areas of interest, which they have defined in advance.
Ownership is regulated in paragraph 7,[1] and responsibility for issuing a gun ownership license is given to the police authority in the applicant's district.
Rifle and shotgun ownership permission can be given to "sober and responsible" persons 18 years or older. The applicant for the permission must document a need for the weapon. Two exceptions exist to this age qualification. Persons under the age of 18, but over 16 may apply for rifle or shotgun ownership licence with the consent of parents or guardian. For handguns, the lowest ownership age is 21 with no exceptions allowed. For inherited weapons, it is up to the local police chief to make a decision based on the individual facts of the case.
An applicant must have a clean police record in order to obtain an ownership license.
Gun ownership rates vary throughout the United Kingdom. Northern Ireland has a very high rate of gun ownership, one of the highest in the world. In contrast England and Wales have considerably lower rates and Scotland has the lowest in the United Kingdom. Private ownership of firearms is common in many rural areas of Britain.[61] Crime involving firearms has historically been very low in the UK. The gun crime rate rose between 1997 and 2004 but has since slightly receded,[62] while the number of murders from gun crime has largely remained static over the past decade.[63] Over the course of the 20th century, the UK gradually implemented tighter regulation of the civilian ownership of firearms through the enactment of the 1968, 1988, 1994 and 1997 Firearms (Amendment) Acts[64] leading to the current outright ban on the ownership of all automatic, and most self-loading, firearms in the UK. The ownership of breech-loading handguns is, in particular, also very tightly controlled and effectively limited (other than in Northern Ireland)[65] to those persons who may require such a handgun for the non routine humane killing of injured or dangerous animals. In 2007, the number of deaths in Britain (population 60.7 million) from firearms was 51, and in 2008 it was 42, a 20-year low, with vast parts of the country recording no homicides, suicides or accidental deaths from firearms.[66]
Ownership of most types of firearm in the UK requires either a Shotgun Certificate (SGC) or a Firearms Certificate (FAC). Both of these are issued by local police after the applicant has met the required criteria. For a Shotgun Certificate the applicant need demonstrate that they can securely store the firearms (usually a gun safe bolted to a solid wall), have no criminal convictions, no history of any medical condition or disability including alcohol and drug related conditions, no history of treatment for depression or any other kind of mental or nervous disorder, or epilepsy. Once a SGC is granted the person is free to purchase single shot, multi-barrelled and repeating shotguns of lever action, pump action or semi-automatic with non detachable magazine that hold no more than 2 rounds of ammunition, plus one in the breech. There is no restriction on the number of shotguns that can be held on a SGC nor are there any restrictions on the amount of ammunition one can possess. The shotguns can be used wherever one has permission.
The criteria required for the grant of a Firearms certificate is far more stringent. Alongside safe storage requirements and checks on previous convictions and medical records, the applicant must also demonstrated a Good reason for each firearm they wish to hold (Good reason may include hunting, pest control, collecting or target shooting). Police may restrict the type and amount of ammunition held, and where and how the firearms are used.[67] Historically, most certificates approved for handguns listed "self-defence" as a reason. Since 1968 in mainland Britain, self-defence is not considered an acceptable "good reason" for firearm ownership (however use of a licensed firearm in self-defence is often justified provided that the victim can prove they used necessary and reasonable force). Only in Northern Ireland is self-defence still accepted as a reason. The police should not amend, revoke (even partially) or refuse an FAC without stating a valid reason. (Section 29(1) of the 1968 Act gives the chief officer power to vary, by a notice in writing, any such condition not prescribed by the rules made by the Secretary of State. The notice may require the holder to deliver the certificate to the chief officer within twenty one days for the purpose of amending the conditions. The certificate may be revoked if the holder fails to comply with such a requirement.)
Air rifles under 12 ft·lbf (16 J) and air pistols under 6 ft·lbf (8.1 J) can be purchased legally by anyone over the age of 18, and do not require a licence, however, licensing is being discussed for all air weapons in Scotland.[68]
Armed teachers, dear fucking lord. I would not come near such society. I worked at a school once, as an assistant. In the US I would have to armed. Like some gung-ho school militia waiting for the bad guy to show up.
#129 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 652 weeks ago
Different. And right about now I'm thinking that's in our favor.
Stats say more violent.
And like johndivney says, how can you say that considering someone just slaughtered children.
Again, arrogance.
You live in the kingdom of the blind.
#130 Re: The Garden » Elementary School Shooting in US » 652 weeks ago
Bono wrote:misterID wrote:Buzz has never said anything about not having gun laws. Pass them. We both just know it will have no effect. We've had them. Again, the answer is a lot more complex than the broad, non-specific "it needs to start somehwere" and my favorite "Your culture is fucked up" coming from people who literally have no understanding of it and continue to throw generalities out there, because A) they have no real answer on how to deal with "our " problem and B) no understanding of that problem.
This isn't doom and gloom, I gave several solutions, you guys refused to hear it because it didn't include banning guns, which is an impossibility.
Holy fuck. Then start nowhere. Great solution. What a dumb fucking attitude. Both your guys's arrogance is coming through in spades. the fact you think that me, a Canadian , who has lived on your doorstep for 34 years has zero comprehension of your culture speaks volumes to your level of arrogance and ignorance.
America: land of the free(yeah right) and home of the brave(only if you have a gun)
You need to learn how to read. I gave solutions. Who's got the "dumb fucking attitude" now? And no, Canada and Australia do not understand (but I do appreciate the anti Americanism!).
Since we're giving links:
Here's one for Bono -
http://www.examiner.com/article/armed-h … -sleepover
.Armed homeowner shoots intruders while children have sleepover
By: Jennifer CruzSubscribe
Sacramento, Calif. homeowner recently defended not only himself, but several children that were having a sleepover at his house, when three men attempted to break into his home. According to a report on December 23, 2012, by News 10, at a little after 3:30 a.m. Saturday morning the suspects attempted to break into the home and opened fire. The homeowner reacted quickly by grabbing his own gun and defending his home and the children inside.
The homeowner shot all three of the suspects, killing one and injuring the other two. The two suspects were taken into custody later that night after showing up at a local hospital with gunshot wounds. The homeowner was also shot, but his wounds were non-life threatening. The suspect’s name that was killed has not yet been released, and an investigation continues into both the robbery and shooting.
Firearms are used in self-defense approximately two million times each year. Thanks to the homeowner being armed and thinking quickly, the report was on a failed home invasion rather than a mass shooting at a child’s slumber party.
©2012 Jennifer L. Cruz. All Rights Reserved.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nat … 55782484/1
14-year old boy kills intruder.
Here's one:
80-Year-Old Shoots and Kills Armed Intruder in Chicago
An 80-year-old Chicago man shot and killed an armed man who broke into his two-story house in a pre-dawn home invasion Wednesday on the city’s West Side.
At about 5:20 a.m., the homeowner and his wife, also in her 80s, discovered the intruder entering their home through a back door. The homeowner, who had a gun, confronted and killed the burglar on the doorstep, police said. Cops said the intruder also fired his gun during the struggle.
“It’s a good thing they had a gun, or they might be dead,” said Curtis Thompson, who lives next door to the couple, the Chicago Sun-Times reported.
However. . .it’s Chicago and it’s against the law to own a handgun. Will police dare press charges? Don’t they have to? — Greg Pollowitz
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------How about those gun laws!
Your dad was against seatbelts in cars, right?
A 14 year old killed the intruder. Nice. Implications on that young boys brain might lead to him going on a killing spree once he hits puberty. He will most likely be on those pills someone mentioned.
So, which one is it? You're just much more violent than the rest of us? Dumber than the rest of us? Different than the rest of us?