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#121 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
The leak and live sound exactly the same so it is Slash. But it also sounds like he's playing a BH solo. It would be very interesting to hear the original takes.
I think for me this is Axl's best vocal take in the CD era. Only other thing that comes close is the scream in TWAT.
You think the general is Axls best vocal take on the CD era stuff? i think its one of his worst right up there with scrapped.
#122 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
There’s no way this dude isn’t a troll. And if not, he’s just spamming the board with nonsense.
He is def a troll. And he ruined two general threads
imagine calling me of all people the biggest defender of slash when this is the first nice thing I have said about slash in over 20 years bc I think if its him on Monsters I think its his best work on the CD era stuff bc the rest was crap.
I want to know whose alt this is.
Can James just prune all his posts about Robin in both threads and dump them into a thread of its own, debating who is on these songs so it doenst ruin two threads.
#123 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns n roses played the general » 86 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:monsterscantkillme wrote:I respect what you're saying. If you think you hear VR then you actually hear it. I'm not really into VR. I'm into Guns N Roses Chinese Democracy. I've compared Slither to Monsters and I'm honestly struggling to see how they are similar. The solos of Slither and Monsters aren't the same. I focus on solos. I don't focus on the other stuff. My fav member in a band is the lead guitarist more than anything else.
I am a way bigger CD era fan than you are. And its bonkers you cant hear VR in the Monsters song.
Even if its not Slash and Duff, it sounds just like a VR song musically.And who said the solos sound the same. WE are talking about the style of the overall song
The bass style is very similar as is the guitar style.
It's put into question if this demo really is Slash and Duff. Speculation is Monsters is from an uncirculated batch of 2006 discs that features all the other songs we've heard about that have been rumored about to be recorded by Slash and Duff returned to the live band tour in 2016 to 2023.
With all due respect you sound more like a Slash fan than you do a Robin, Bucket, Tommy, and Brain. You defend Slash so much and you're like one of the biggest Slash defenders on the forums. I don't defend Slash because I don't like Slash. I don't like Slash since he left. And he didn't leave peacefully. Slash left because he wanted to keep the nightrain going and Axl wanted more November Rain. Creative differences. The same thing that broke up John and Paul.
But I don't support 2023 Axl because Axl still won't release CD2 and CE3 with Robin and Bucket. And instead 2023 Axl let's Slash and Duff ruin Robin's and Bucket's art to PUMP UP the live tour and keep the cash rolling in. It's not about integraty and respect for Axl, it's all about the money for Axl. the money that keeps the cash train rolling all night long. the solo in VR is a standard, by the numebrs solo. Nothing special. But the solo on The General by Robin Finck is something so creative we've never heard before in a rock song. The same for the solo on Monsters if that is Robin. If it is Slash, then I'll give him the credit. But Monsters is still a question mark. But the Robin fans I ask on social media think Monsters is Robin too. And to me it's about the solos. Style overrall doesn't stand out. Rock solos do. The rock solo is where the money is in a song.
The speculation has been its slash and duff not that its from 2006 LOL
Where do you come up with this stuff? The majority of the people who have heard Monsters think its slash and duff
Besides you no one has though its Robin
"you sound more like a Slash fan than you do a Robin, Bucket, Tommy, and Brain. "
This is by far the funniest thing I have ever read in the history of these forums. Do you even know who you are talking to?
I have always been outspoke against slash. I trash him all the time for butchering these CD songs and him butchering the CD stuff live
You have to be trolling at this point. I think its just time to ignore you
#124 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns n roses played the general » 86 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:monsterscantkillme wrote:The end solo sounds different. That's one of the reasons I say Robin. But I can see what you say about the wah lines too. And not every rework is completely different from the original recording. Some parts stay the same and others are done over differently.
So using your logic since BH plays a different solo live than the studio version of Madagascar that means its not BH on the studio version?
No. We know that is Buckethead. It's hard to explain from that angle. Since when I heard Madagascar played at MTV VMA 2002 I knew it was Buckethead. I don't know what else to say on Buckethead. Buckethead is a freak in the fact he churns out solo record after record of incredible sounds. Buckethead is a MONSTER releasing stuff. A shame he left when he did. Bucket and Robin had great chemistry on stage for the limited time they were together. but a very creative time. look at the songs Bucket and Robin recorded together in such a short period of time? I'd say hundreds of songs! Village leaks all the songs with vocals all the instrumentals and so much more we don't know about. I'm saying if you go by the rework logic some parts of The General will be the same on the official release and some won't. In this case I think the biggest difference will be the guitar solo that ends the song. There is not much else to the song musically. Almost like a Chinese Democracy hip hop beat with drums. But again I mostly focus on the lead guitar stuff. Others can sort out the rest. They're quite good at it,
Slash played pretty much exactly live what is on the leak. Just because the ending solo is slightly different does not mean squat bc slash is always slightly changing how he plays these new songs live bc they are new and he has not been playing them for over 30 years.
And you keep saying you focus on the guitar playing, its exactly the same on both versions lol
Just curious, if the final offical version comes out and its the same thing as the leak with just a better mix of the vocals, are you going to admit you dont know Robins playing as well as you think? Or will you just make more excuses and act like its still Robin on the leak but the offical one is Slash just covering robin very well lol
#125 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
If this isn't the guy who leaked the songs trying to tell us that those are the demos, than I don't know what to tell you. If anything his dedication is for every praise..
we wont know for sure unless the leaker comes back and says where they got them from or until we hear the offical release to see if they are the same.
#126 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns n roses played the general » 86 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:monsterscantkillme wrote:I have listened to the same things you have and you have it wrong. The Slash COVER solo doesn't climb like Robin's on The General. It goes low. The body. The low rumble. Slash doesn't have it, man. Slash is limited on what he can do and this clearly shows it.
Slash re-writes robins parts just like he did on perhaps and hard school. What slash played last night, sounds like what is on the leaked track. It seems like its slash and fortus on the leak. I thought it was Robin and BH at first on The General until I heard the live version.
I have always though its slash and duff on Monsters since the music sounds like the stuff they did in VR
I respect what you're saying. If you think you hear VR then you actually hear it. I'm not really into VR. I'm into Guns N Roses Chinese Democracy. I've compared Slither to Monsters and I'm honestly struggling to see how they are similar. The solos of Slither and Monsters aren't the same. I focus on solos. I don't focus on the other stuff. My fav member in a band is the lead guitarist more than anything else.
I am a way bigger CD era fan than you are. And its bonkers you cant hear VR in the Monsters song.
Even if its not Slash and Duff, it sounds just like a VR song musically.
And who said the solos sound the same. WE are talking about the style of the overall song
The bass style is very similar as is the guitar style.
#127 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns n roses played the general » 86 weeks ago
WLMusic wrote:The end solo does sound different but the wah lines in the verses are pretty much exactly like the leaks.
The end solo sounds different. That's one of the reasons I say Robin. But I can see what you say about the wah lines too. And not every rework is completely different from the original recording. Some parts stay the same and others are done over differently.
So using your logic since BH plays a different solo live than the studio version of Madagascar that means its not BH on the studio version?
#128 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Tmgladden wrote:monsterscantkillme wrote:But you could be wrong, and you and the majority always say it is Slash and beat that to a dead horse. The ones who say Slash beat the dead horse. Nobody calls them out on it. You just single me out. We still don't know for sure. So, the debate isn't over until we know. And you know why you gang up on me and single me out? It's because I don't like Slash and worship Slash. And because I don't act like Slash is my GOD.
Dude, I don’t want slash in the band either, or duff. I want nuguns. I’ve always preferred nuguns cause that’s what I grew up with. But that doesn’t change the fact you keep yourself singled out by not just dropping it. Let it die till we know for sure
The reason I keep defending Robin and Bucket is because everybody so strongly on their end defends Slash. I'm like alone on an island. But when I say people are telling me it is Robin on the General, and that Monsters is industrial rock I'm not making it up. I've shared the songs with Robin fans on twitter, reddit, and facebook and they think it is Robin.
LOL at calling Monsters industiral rock when it sounds like VR.
You dont know what industrial rock is
#129 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns n roses played the general » 86 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:monsterscantkillme wrote:it more likely shows Robin on the demo. listen to how out of tune Slash sounds on Robin's art. Slash struggling badly to be Robin on stage.
I have listened to muliple shots of the live verision and its pretty much just like the demo, unlke Hard School and perhaps.
Also didn't Marco even say the leak version does not sound like the same version he worked on?
Also is pretty annoying you have ruined two threads about the general.
I have listened to the same things you have and you have it wrong. The Slash COVER solo doesn't climb like Robin's on The General. It goes low. The body. The low rumble. Slash doesn't have it, man. Slash is limited on what he can do and this clearly shows it.
Slash re-writes robins parts just like he did on perhaps and hard school. What slash played last night, sounds like what is on the leaked track. It seems like its slash and fortus on the leak. I thought it was Robin and BH at first on The General until I heard the live version.
I have always though its slash and duff on Monsters since the music sounds like the stuff they did in VR
#130 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns n roses played the general » 86 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:monsterscantkillme wrote:[/embed]
This audio provided by Shacklemyrye proves my case that it is Robin on the demo and Slash on the official release. Thank you, Shacklemyrye.
no it doesnt lol it more shows its probably slash on it
it more likely shows Robin on the demo. listen to how out of tune Slash sounds on Robin's art. Slash struggling badly to be Robin on stage.
I have listened to muliple shots of the live verision and its pretty much just like the demo, unlke Hard School and perhaps.
Also didn't Marco even say the leak version does not sound like the same version he worked on?
Also is pretty annoying you have ruined two threads about the general.
