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#131 Re: Guns N' Roses » Thoughts On "Excuses" » 893 weeks ago
with sales down across the board, do record labels make money from the tours directly?
do you think that maybe albums are promotion for the tour, instead of the other way around like it was for several years?
and if intense marketing only appears to add a hundred thousand or so in sales, is it really worth the labels' investment dollars to spend a ton on marketing?
#132 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week? » 893 weeks ago
if there are 3 albums worth of material, that were made on Interscope's dime, why would they NOT want to release them???
getting something, ANYTHING, back on that investment would be a good thing. i mean, am i missing something here?
also, remember, the label has made more money up front in the deal with Best Buy. it's has little to do with first week sales.
does anyone know the exact details of that deal?
also, we have no idea what type of contract would be drawn up for a tour and who would get any of those profits.
#133 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week? » 893 weeks ago
sandman wrote:the negativity on this board is as boring as the axl nutswingers we have to deal with on other boards.
it's a shame that supposed music fans are missing the point.
despite the contraints of a record lable contract, Axl made the album he wanted to on his terms. no made-for-radio bullshit. in fact, i'd call these songs the opposite. and he does no promotion. BUT, he managed to get a major retailer to pay millions for it up front. unbelievable really.
and in a time when things are more fucked up than ever in the industry, fans of music should be applauding him.
Applauding him? Please. For what? Not doing promo? Alienating a large number fo his fans? Making a record that fans can't even agree on? Making a record that sounds over produced and poorly produced? There's tons of big name bands that make the album THEY WANT TO MAKE, even with big label contracts. Axl isn't a pioneer in 2008. Axl didn't do anything extrordinary here. More like extrodinarily dumb.
the fact that things like promo and making a record fans can agree on (whatever the hell that even means) are important to you, tells me that we'll have to agree to disagree.
if you don't like the album, that's fine. there's rarely universal agreement on any album. but i have to disagree when you say he's dumb. if it was THAT important to him, he'd be out promoting it.
i'm starting to think that people are just so angry that they can't figure this guy out. in an industry where everything is simple and obvious, i think it frustrates people that there's alot that's unknown.
#134 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week? » 893 weeks ago
the negativity on this board is as boring as the axl nutswingers we have to deal with on other boards.
it's a shame that supposed music fans are missing the point.
despite the contraints of a record lable contract, Axl made the album he wanted to on his terms. no made-for-radio bullshit. in fact, i'd call these songs the opposite. and he does no promotion. BUT, he managed to get a major retailer to pay millions for it up front. unbelievable really.
and in a time when things are more fucked up than ever in the industry, fans of music should be applauding him.
#135 Re: Guns N' Roses » Musician's comment on Guns N Roses/Chinese Democracy » 893 weeks ago
i love the crue, but this takes balls considering they toured as Motley Crue without the original lead singer...
NIKKI SIXX Says 'Chinese Democracy' Is 'Not A GUNS N' ROSES Record' - Nov. 19, 2008
According to The Pulse of Radio, the new GUNS N' ROSES album, "Chinese Democracy", was leaked online in its entirety on Tuesday (November 18), finally giving anyone with access to BitTorrent and RapidShare sites a chance to hear the record that has been 13 years in the making. The disc comes out legally on Sunday (November 23) exclusively through Best Buy. One person who's curious to hear it is MÖTLEY CRÜE bassist Nikki Sixx, although he told The Pulse of Radio he has some reservations. "I don't know if I believe it's a GUNS N' ROSES record, because it's just Axl," he said. "I think it's a phenomenal solo record, I'm sure, but as far as being a GUNS N' ROSES record, you know, I'd love to hear GUNS N' ROSES together because we believed in that band. You know, Axl's the type of artist who will make sure it's a great record, but it's not a GUNS N' ROSES record, it's an Axl Rose record. We need to be careful with the brand name."
GUNS N' ROSES once opened for MÖTLEY CRÜE back in the late Eighties.
Singer Axl Rose is the sole remaining original member of the classic GUNS N' ROSES lineup. A revolving cast of musicians have performed on "Chinese Democracy".
Although vocalist Vince Neil and drummer Tommy Lee have both left MÖTLEY CRÜE at various points, there have always been at least three original members in the group.
#136 Re: Guns N' Roses » Is it possible Axl is "boycotting" the album? » 893 weeks ago
I'm quite confident that I will never know what he's thinking...
bingo! couldn't agree more. yet so many people are convinced they know what's going on in his head.
#137 Re: Guns N' Roses » A great CD review with plenty of praise for Bucket » 893 weeks ago
i love Bucket, but to say he's the "true star" is just hilarious. his work is great, but even his biggest fans couldn't tell if certain solos were his or Bumblefoot's.
#138 Re: Guns N' Roses » Predictions: 1st week U.S. sales will be... » 893 weeks ago
My prediction for years has been 500-700K first week
I guess I should've adjusted that slightly for the Best Buy thing but I didn't, but I guess I should change it to 400-500K
I know some people will see this an excuse but it's really just the facts
Best Buy has 1400 stores in the US. Wal-Mart has over 4000 including the Super Centers, not to mention Sam's Club. And Wal-Mart spent a lot more $ advertising Black Ice than Best Buy did CD. Wal-Mart held off until the last week or so but that last week I saw their commercial probably a dozen time during college and NFL football games. I still haven't seen a commercial for CD on TV even once. I expected them to hit us with the full on marketing blitz but it never came
Metallica sold 490,000 in 4 days, but how many stores were they available in? Every single Best Buy, Circuit City, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, and Target plus every record store int he country. Bottom line is that it was much more widely available
BUT, and this is what I keep saying, GnR didn't sign on with Best Buy to maximize the # of albums sold. They went with Best Buy to maximize profits without having to edit their album. If the album sells below expectations, Best Buy gets hurt a lot worse than UMG or GnR
very good points. i didn't think to factor in the number of Best Buy stores.
AND the fact that Walmart is doing really well - total sales are up which is amazing.
AND the fact that Best Buy is hurting and facing the worst environment they've ever seen.
GnR/Interscope went with Best Buy to maximize profits and get their money up front.
#139 Re: Guns N' Roses » Predictions: 1st week U.S. sales will be... » 893 weeks ago
factoring in various things (particularly the BB exclusive), my measuring stick may be about 100K high. but i just figured it would be good to get everyone's expeectations out there before the results come in so we can better assess people's opinions of first week success.
not that first week means much....it's total worldwide sales that matters. one hit single and a major tour could keep this album selling well through 2009.
kid rock managed to keep his album on the charts for quite some time, and sell more records than you would've thought after his first week.
#140 Re: Guns N' Roses » Predictions: 1st week U.S. sales will be... » 893 weeks ago
sandman, I think the specific numbers you've used to gauge something a success or not are ... inaccurate. Are you speaking specifically of the hype surrounding Chinese Democracy and how its success might be measured on a different scale? Because generally albums don't debut to the kinds of numbers you seem to think they do, no offense.
No offense taken. if you disagree, post what you think is accurate.
my numbers are based on two very recent album releases by bands that are in the same segment of the industry as Gnr.
Black Ice sold 784,000.
Death Magnetic sold 490,000 (in 3 days).
IMO, it doesn't matter how albums "generally" sell these days. those two albums i listed are the right benchmark.
