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#141 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
They let them rot for 14 years.
Actually they didn't. They squeezed a GH package out of them to balance their expense sheets, then cut off Axl to force him to piss or get off the pot.
It worked. The record label recouped their cash at the expense of total units sold.
If Axl wants to release another album, the label will not push him away.
#142 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
monkeychow wrote:Axl can redeem himself in my eyes by pushing his great new line up onwards and releasing new and awesome music. I have no doubt he is capable of it.
The problem is he doesn't need to redeem himself in your eyes; he needs to redeem himself in the record company's eyes. There will be no second record if that doesn't happen. They aren't about to release him from his contract so he can make money for someone else (or himself). It's going to take one hell of an album for them to give up on what they know is the real cash cow. They won't allow him to move forward with mediocrity, and I don't think Axl's capable of delivering elite material anymore for a variety of reasons (and his talent level isn't one of them).
Everybody thought the BB deal freed Axl, but what it really did was free the record company. They don't have to give Axl a dime and have no intention of doing so for anything less than a reunion.
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The record company isn't going to let G&R rot. They will allow a release to fulfill their contract or they will release them.
Material has been recorded and is some state of readiness (not sure what needs to be done, but I have heard they are not building from ground zero). It would behoove the label to release this material and make money on what amounts to a marginal investment on their part.
BB cleared the debt of the 30 plus songs in the G&R vault.
#143 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
ut I also acknowledge that it was his taking control of the band that caused the end of the original line up, and that under his leadership the band is neither as successful (compared to peers like Metallica, U2, Bon Jovi - all of whom used to look up to GNR), nor as productive (one album in 15 years vs the whole back catalogue in under 10).
This goes to the heart of the break up and is much more complicated than you are prescribing it.
Personally, I don't believe the old line up would have been successful if they continued on their course. There was a difference in fundamental philosophy on the direction of the band would take in the post-UYI years. Slash was not on board with Axl's ideas and Axl was not on board with Slash's ideas. There was no middle ground as egos on each side would not permit compromise. The thermostat broke at that point.
Now, you have your opinion about the success of Axl post old partnership. I don't agree entirely but I admit it has been underwhelming. However, I don't believe Slash's post-G&R legacy has been stellar by any means. In fact, not only have I expected a lot more from Slash but I am shocked he has never solved the lead singer problem after more than a decade.
If it has to end, the partnership of Slash and Axl, I'd rather them to split up on top then to muddle through a series of terrible albums and die a slow agonizing, unerasable death.
#144 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
I think he's saying Robin's interpretation of Slash's parts angered the majority of fans.
Oh that old debate.
I rather enjoyed Robin in the sum total of the performance.
#145 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:As an aside, I'm not a big DJ Ashba^TM fan. I feel the new band misses Robin terribly. I'd sack DJ and bring Finck back into the fold if that were possible.
Wow. You want to kill ANY chance they have of surviving?
Not sure what you mean here.
#146 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
Of course everyone missed Axl though. It's not GNR without him. But he won't play because he doesn't respect the old members and their achievements. If he did he wouldn't have made them his employees, he wouldn't over dub Slash's parts, he wouldn't bad mouth Slash's playing past and present in the press and he wouldn't have started a new band under the name of the old band. That's what it boils down to.
You are putting huge words in Axl's mouth here.
Axl doesn't respect Slash personally.
He clearly respects the achievement of the band. Even said so in his letter. There were issues with who was inducted and broken down talks with the Hall, but this was all about his relationship with Slash and, to a lesser degree, antagonistic comments made by Adler.
#147 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
Myles does for Axl's parts what DJ Ashba does for Slash's.
That is - create a relatively note accurate version of the part but one that despite hitting the notes correctly lacks the particular soul, character and nuances of the author. The versions are nice in and of themselves, but to a fan of the original are noticeably lacking that X factor that made the original versions.
They tend to satisfy the average listener as it's a "good enough" version of the song to make it serviceable but frustrate people who listen in depth.
DJ doesn't have to be as good as Slash, he just has to play the song in a way that makes it workable without Slash, likewise Myles doesn't have to be as good as Axl, he just facilitates the playing of the song when Axl won't show up.
But Axl's voice is iconic G&R. If Myles just facilitates the playing of the song, then doesn't add that touch which elevates a song from just a rock n' roll song to an all-time classic.
As an aside, I'm not a big DJ Ashba^TM fan. I feel the new band misses Robin terribly. I'd sack DJ and bring Finck back into the fold if that were possible.
#148 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
I am guessing that you didn't see my reviews of the 2011/12 tour, gibbo.
#149 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:gibbo wrote:Like buzz it only really the hardcore who arent a fan iv myles hes pretty popular in general
I must have missed that polling/trending data. I'm sure in his AlterBridge universe, Myles is a champ, but in the G&R ring, he's not.
Jesus Christ could come down and sing and you would say Axl was better.
On Cornshucker, Axl is more believable than JC.
#150 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 688 weeks ago
Like buzz it only really the hardcore who arent a fan iv myles hes pretty popular in general
I must have missed that polling/trending data. I'm sure in his AlterBridge universe, Myles is a champ, but in the G&R ring, he's not.
