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#161 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 300 weeks ago

Also saw today that a couple of republicans now want certain testimonies behind closed doors, haha, isn't that rich?

#162 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 300 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

You can't deny that he brought 100% of it all on himself.

Yea, he totally bought, published, and pushed the Steele dossier.

The republican lie is that the dossier kicked this all off. The truth is that our allies alerted the intelligence communities because of Trump's relations with the Russians.

Let's get real, you're pivoting again. Anything other than dealing with reality.

Answer me this Flagg: Is withholding military aid as leverage on a foreign country to get dirt on a political opponent acceptable? Yes or no. This isn't about Democrats, it's not about Obama, it's not about Hillary or the dossier.

Are you OK with a president violating his oath of office and our constitution?

#163 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 300 weeks ago

wasted wrote:

Hard to say because throughout the Russian Collusion investigation the whole media said Trump was going down. And then nothing. And no apology or even just an acknowledgment that they had just ruined 4 years of a US presidents time. They just rolled into the next thing and started saying the same things about certainty. Again nothing else is being done for the American people. It seems like the hearings and the media are biased but I’m not sure it will lead where they say and if so then what? The 60 million that voted Trump are going to feel cheated by the system. Trump probably shouldn’t be prez but is this the way to do it? Can’t they just beat him on the issues in an election?

I'd say these are quite relevant issues.

The investigation showed that Trump openly accepted help from Russia and obstructed justice nearly a dozen times. The multiple guilty verdicts of Stone last week also revealed that Trump used him for a direct link to wikileaks to get dirt on Hillary prior to the election. Congress is now looking at Trump's written testimony on this, where he (shocker!) lied. I'd say it's hardly a waste of time to investigate that Trump openly accepted foreign aid to go after a political opponent in 2016, and then tried to bribe another country to do the same thing for 2020.

There's a reason 6 Trump associates were convicted so far, and it's not because Trump is being picked on by the deep state. It's because he's a criminal and surrounds himself with people willing to break the law.

#164 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 300 weeks ago

Sonland's testimony was the death blow today, not even sure why we are continuing past this point. Trump, Pence, Giuliani and Mulvaney all thrown under the bus.

Pompeo is also about to resign.

If Trump was smart, he would too.

#165 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 301 weeks ago

wasted wrote:

Prosecuted for quid pro quo? That’s what prezs do, deals.

It's called bribery and it's in our constitution.

So yes, he's being prosecuted for it right now.

#166 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 301 weeks ago

Roger Stone found guilty on all 7 counts this morning. What a shocker! Another one of Trump's inner circle is going to prison. Not to mention that Bannon's testimony contradicted what Trump put in writing to Mueller in regards to Wikileaks.

Public hearings this week are damning for Trump, one lifelong public servant after another testifying to the criminality of this traitor. Even better was Trump's appointee, who paid 1 million bucks for the privilege testifying to Congress last week.

The best part today was the donald getting called on witness tampering in real time while they are questioning Yovanovitch. Unbelievable.

Are you trump apologists learning anything yet? My guess is no.

#167 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 304 weeks ago

The GOP doesn't have a leg to stand on. If they did, they would not have pulled that stunt they did today storming into the impeachment depositions, under the guise of transparency, but ultimately blocking Laura Cooper's testimony. This of course was a the direction of Trump, yet another form of obstruction. Does this sound like a group of people who have any argument at all? They have none, so they want to muddy the waters and hopefully delay the inquiry as long as they can.

There is no denying a quid pro quo. None.

Just one of nearly half a dozen testimonies. This one by William Taylor is ultimately damning:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents … lor-1.html

#168 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 304 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

Will anyone wait for something to actually happen...

Do you read? Serious question.

There is so much happening, it's almost impossible to keep up.

#169 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 304 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

lol, Hey check out this old post I found from '74

buzzsaw wrote:

Will anyone wait for something to actually happen before declaring the 700th end for Nixon?

I've never seen so many people hellbent on a President Ford before...be careful what you guys wish for.


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PaSnow wrote:

If Trump resigns, Thanksgiving weekend gonna be the weekend to do it. That or Christmas week, claim he achieved all he set out to do, fixed the economy, saved America from The Obama's, then pardon everybody & resign.

I highly, highly doubt at this point he can make it thru this.

I can't imagine him resigning ever. He's a huge narcissist, but mostly because the office also shields him from further prosecution, something that goes away once he's out.

On the other hand he's also a professional victim, so I could see him resigning so he can assume the martyr role and claim the "deep state" had it in for him, after all he did for us.

#170 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 304 weeks ago


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