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#17951 Re: The Sunset Strip » Spears turns herself in to L.A. police » 923 weeks ago

The teen stars from the 80's were disciples of Mother Teresa compared to these morons.

#17952 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy tidbits (RUMORS) » 923 weeks ago

Its still not believable. If its true, then the fanbase might as well give up now while Axl completely kills off the legacy. Recording AFD in the 97-99 timeframe? Kinda lame, but believable, and since he's lived off the record and toured behind it since, its understandable. Recording UYI era tracks in 2007? Regardless of whether those tracks will be released or not, it means there's not even an album of original CD era material and this project is going nowhere. If you have some vision that Axl has supposedly had for the past 10 years, you dont start recording UYI crap 10 years into the new GNR era with no material since 93.

Its absurd. If its true, a reunion will never happen mainly because all the ex members will die from laughing.

#17953 Re: GN'R Downloads » Request : Rhiad & The Bedouins (live) » 923 weeks ago

Saikin wrote:
Jameslofton wrote:

I have a cleaned up version of the HOB version. If I can find it, I'll post it. Sadly, that is the best performance of the song.

If James hasn't done it soon, then i will.  3

If you have easy access to it, post it up. I was looking for it earlier, but I have way too many cd-rs to be able to track down one random song on them.

#17954 Re: The Sunset Strip » The 10 Greatest Horror Films of all time elimination- Nominations » 923 weeks ago

Mike wrote:

The Omen (hello people)

I like it but I don't consider it worthy of a top 10 list.

#17955 Re: The Garden » The Rise and Fall of Marion Jones » 923 weeks ago

Marion Jones is probably the saddest and worst 'fall from grace' story in sports history. She wasn't a female athlete. She was a machine. Could've been a basketball star, but decided to go into track and grabbed up a ton of awards and medals. Multi million dollar endorsement deals soon followed. Nothing or no one could stop her, and she was without a doubt one of the greatest athletes, male or female, in history.

I remember watching her compete in the 90's, and I had this feeling she would end up being the first woman to try out for the NFL. It never happened of course, but she had this aura of invincibility about her to where you thought such things were possible.

Then a few years later, she is exposed as a fraud.

This article doesn't really go into it, but its almost comical that she was exposed only because of her taste in men. She not only dated then married them, but they were all athletes who eventually got caught using steroids. One husband even involved in some check scam, which she may do prison time for. Had she dated normal men, she likely never would have been caught.  Anyways, no one suspected her of being a drug user until her first husband was caught doing it. The stigma stayed attached to her for years, until her house of cards finally crumbled this year and she had to admit she had been using steroids all these years.

Also, she is financially broke, and the chances of her ever becoming financially secure again are minimal. The only way she will probably ever get a decent chunk of change is if she poses for Playboy(which I'll buy).

She is clearly disgraced in sports for the rest of her life, and her place in history is now cemented.

This brings me to my question: Does she deserve a second chance? Obviously the drugs played a role in her athletic ability, but if she stayed clean, does she deserve another shot at glory? She could possibly get a lifetime ban from Track, but how about basketball? If she's still extremely fast, how about creating a huge amount of publicity by trying out for the NFL?

I know she brought this all on herself, but I actually feel sorry for her and think she does deserve another chance. I know I'm not being very impartial as I was always a fan of hers, but if other public figures get another chance, I don't see why Marion cant have that chance as well.

#17956 The Garden » The Rise and Fall of Marion Jones » 923 weeks ago

James
Replies: 12

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Track and field superstar Marion Jones stood before an army of television cameras last Friday and pled guilty in U.S. District Court in  White Plains, N.Y., to lying to federal investigators when she denied that she had used performance enhancing drugs.


Jones admitted to taking steroids from September 2000 to July 2001 and said she was told by former coach Trevor Graham that she was taking flaxseed oil when it was actually the steroid THG. Jones claimed she didn't realize she was taking performance-enhancing drugs until November of 2003.

The darling of the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney, Australia , Jones won five medals, three gold and two bronze. Now, she is reportedly broke, disgraced, and could be facing prison time.

What makes Jones' admission so difficult for everyone who believed she was clean was the passion and vehemence with which she proclaimed her innocence, even going so far as to file a lawsuit against Victor Conte and the infamous BALCO laboratory.

"I have never, ever used performance enhancing drugs," Jones said defiantly in 2004 in her grand jury testimony in the BALCO investigation. Last year, Jones had a urine sample test positive for EPO, but her backup sample came up negative. But claiming her conscience was bothering her, Jones finally told the truth. Or at least, some of it. 

"It's with a great amount of shame that I stand before you and tell you that I have betrayed your trust. I have been dishonest, and you have the right to be angry with me. I have let my family down. I have let my country down, and I have let myself down," a teary eyes Jones said after her hearing, at which point she also announced her retirement.

But the most disturbing thing about Jones' admission of guilt is that she still has yet to take full responsibility for her actions. Throughout her testimony and her subsequent statements, Jones still lays much of the blame at the feet of Graham, using the oh-so-tired excuse that she didn't "knowingly" take performance enhancing drugs. That she trusted her coach.

So, how many world class athletes does this make now who are simply popping pills, spreading on the cream, putting the clear underneath their tongues and sticking themselves with needles that claim to have no clue what they are taking? Forgive me, but I've lost count.

I believe I first heard this saying sometime during Watergate (and by the way, when are we going to stop sticking the word "gate" at the end of every scandal? Enough already, but I digress) that it's not the crime, it's the cover up.

At this point, it would almost be a refreshing novelty to see an athlete who gets caught cheating simply say, "I knew what I was taking. I take full responsibility for what I did."

I'm also not as impressed as some of my colleagues who are applauding Jones for returning her medals, apologizing to her competitors, and asking to have her records vacated. The International Olympic Committee (IOC) was going to do that anyway.

It's often been said that this is a country that believes in forgiveness and second chances, especially in the world of sports. We'll forgive almost anything if it's accompanied by honesty, contrition and taking full responsibility for your actions.

I've yet to hear Jones say that despite what Graham may have told her, she knew she was taking steroids, instead of expecting us to believe she spent years thinking it was flaxseed oil.

If Jones thinks this mess she's in is more Trevor Graham's fault than hers, then she's still lying, both to herself and to us.

#17957 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » VR - Why the Sophomore Slump? » 923 weeks ago

BurningHills wrote:

However, I don't think "Messages" is that great either - and it certainly wouldn't have saved the album. A good tribute song, but not the masterpiece that everyone seems to make it out to be.

Its not a masterpiece aspect that makes people notice the song, its the fact its the only song in the post 87-93 era that just screams GNR. When hearing the track, you can easily imagine Axl taking that music and adding his unique stamp to it.  Even VR haters all over the web were surprised by the track. Its because it reminds people of the band they all loved.

The song brings up "what if?" scenarios in peoples heads about how old GNR would have turned out, and is probably a reason it wasn't included on the album. It hits a little too close to home.

Instead, they allow possibly their best track to be permanently buried, only to be heard by hardcore fans.

I predict one more album for VR, and a swan song theater tour, and then Weiland goes back to reform STP, and Slash, Duff and (ugh) Sorum - wait for the phone call from Axl.

I agree about one more album, but Slash, Duff, and Sorum definitely wont be waiting for anything. They'll continue what they've done since 93: Create and release music.

#17958 Re: The Sunset Strip » The 10 Greatest Horror Films of all time elimination- Nominations » 923 weeks ago

DoubleTalkingJive wrote:

Halloween RZ

Wow, you really hold that film in high regard. I have watched it 5 times, and I would never include it on a best of list. It gets worse with each viewing, mainly the part with adult Myers. Not that adult Myers sucks. He doesn't. Its everything else that sucks, minus Kristina Klebe's tiny role.


Hostel

Really?


Aliens
The Thing

Gonna add those to my list. I forgot about them.

#17959 Re: The Garden » 10 Strangest Things in Space » 923 weeks ago

Robman wrote:

If time is the 4th dimension, what wold the 5th dimension be? An incomprehensible state of being?

Death? I don't think anyone knows, although some scientists theorize that there are possibly 12 dimensions.

#17960 The Garden » U.S. in ‘pointless’ campaign in Iraq, Putin says » 923 weeks ago

James
Replies: 3

MOSCOW - President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the U.S. war in Iraq was a 'pointless' battle against the Iraqi people, the latest jab at Washington from the increasingly confrontational Russian leader.

Speaking during an annual televised question-and-answer session, Putin was asked by a mechanic from the Siberian city of Novosibirsk for his thoughts on comments made several years ago by former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who suggested that Siberia had too many natural resources to belong to one country.

'I know that some politicians play with such ideas in their heads. This, in my view, is the sort of political erotica that might satisfy a person but hardly leads to a positive result,' Putin responded.

'The best example of that are the events in Iraq '” a small country that can hardly defend itself and which possesses huge oil reserves. And we see what's going on there. They've learned to shoot there but they are not managing to bring order.

'One can wipe off a political map some tyrannical regime ... but it's absolutely pointless to fight with a people,' he said. 'Russia, thank God, isn't Iraq. It has enough strength and power to defend itself and its interests, both on its territory and in other parts of the world.'

Praises economic gains
Putin opened the session by reeling off a string of statistics showing the improvement of Russia's economy in the seven years he has been in office. Much of the economic growth has been due to high world oil prices.

He also said the country's birth rate was the highest it has been in 16 years and the death rate the lowest since 1999.

Thursday's session '” the sixth Putin has participated in since coming to office in 2000, was broadcast live on state-controlled TV and radio stations. In past years, it has lasted several hours and consists of people from around the vast country asking the president selected questions mainly on bread-and-butter issues.

A sampling of questions listed on a Web site set up by the broadcasters ranged from concerns about salaries for public sector workers to the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi and environmental worries.

Putin, who is widely popular among Russians for the stability and relative prosperity he has brought to the country, has sought to use phone-ins along with tightly choreographed, lavish television coverage to project the image of a leader responding directly to voters' concerns.

Last year Putin answered more than 50 questions in a three-hour session. Correspondents from the state-run networks chose questioners from among small crowds in towns and cities around the vast country; it was impossible to tell whether most questions were arranged in advance or if questioners were coached.

Others phoned in, submitted questions by e-mail or sent text messages.

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