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#171 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 110 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:I can only go by what the people who heard that have claimed but the general theme was these songs were being played to gauge what could be a decent first single.
And then they decided, bafflingly, to go with Chinese Democracy but not whip up a radio edit that got rid of the minute-long ambient intro.
Yep, the song itself is a logical choice but having the intro on there for a single was not a good idea. If they were played songs that could be singles I suspect they were played Hardschool too, I love the locker leaks version but even that had too long an intro for a single tbf
They should've gone with Chinese Democracy minus the intro, or Better as the first single. A solid, catchy rocker. Then followed up with TWAT, to prove that the new band could do big November Rain style epics with guitar solos played atop a mountain as well as the old band.
The problem there, of course, was that TWAT's big outro solo was played by someone who wasn't in the band anymore. If Axl had managed to win Bucket back around, or if they'd launched the album in 2002-3 as they should have done, though...
#172 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 110 weeks ago
I can only go by what the people who heard that have claimed but the general theme was these songs were being played to gauge what could be a decent first single.
And then they decided, bafflingly, to go with Chinese Democracy but not whip up a radio edit that got rid of the minute-long ambient intro.
#173 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 110 weeks ago
Freese's isolated drums from Hardschool are insane, so is the TIL accapella
I will never understand why they swapped out the drums from the demo for the ones on the finished version. Especially when Axl cheerfully left Brain's drumming on Absurd.
#174 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 110 weeks ago
Scabbie wrote:I'm still not with you all. Are you saying hoarders have a copy of what was destined to be the follow up to CD, all tracks (incl. vocals) recorded mixed and mastered? Or just various additional songs to the first album in various states of completion that COULD have been CD2?
What I am saying is that there are alternate versions of Chinese Democracy that were circulated before the album release. These alternate versions contain different songs - at least two that weren't on the locker leaks -, mixes and tracklists.
About the follow up album I have no info whatsoever and would love to hear it or about it
Well, I'm definitely more interested in more finished 2006-vintage tracks with Robin, Bucket and Bumble. Not so bothered about the prospect of hearing Stay of Execution tracks with DJ Ashba plastered all over them.
#175 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 110 weeks ago
AI isn't there yet but it will be at some point, fan remixes take a lot more time without AI than I think they will with it. You only need to ask Evader how many hours he plunged into his version on The general. If AI speeds it up there will be more and the fanbase will be flooded.
I'm very much looking forward to being able to, for example, feed an AI the demo version of Hardschool and the released Hard Skool, and saying, "Replace the drums on the finished version with the drums from the demo." Or "Replace the vocals on This I Love with the ones from the remix, dial up the orchestra a fraction and replace the solo with Slash's live version from Orlando 2016." We're not far off being able to do that sort of thing.
#176 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 110 weeks ago
I'm confused but I think James was saying there's a second album worth of leftover tracks that also leaked around the time of the Cather/Hardschool leaks in the early 2000s but that is less circulated.
Additionally I think I recall MSL saying he had follow up to CD album pre-reunion around the time he had all Axl's documents/laptop or whatever it was and was threatening to release it himself if the band didn't release some details soon. His deadline came and went and all that happened was he became pro-team brazil and Axl all of a sudden. I can only speculate as to why.
Kinda confusing because to me, "Chinese Democracy II" implies it's the "Stay of Execution" album that was ready to go in the 2010s. If it's a bunch of Chinese Democracy offcuts from the 2000s... haven't we heard that already in the locker leaks? What's new that isn't there?
#177 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why do people tend to take Tommy's word for everything? » 110 weeks ago
It gets worse when you consider Hard Skool. They decided to splice in some half done vocals from Eye on You, because obviously that song was never completed beyond its locker leaks form, and there was no unheard Axl material to take it from either, and apparently it was completely out of the question for Axl to do any new vocals.
Or, alternatively: there's no point dragging Axl into the studio to record some "ah-aaahs" when you can pull them from an unreleased demo that's in the same tempo and key, which maybe a few hundred people have heard, and maybe 20 people are actually going to pick up on.
These sort of shortcuts are routine when producing music or films, or other creative work that's assembled in the edit. For example: you're making a film with, say, Ryan Gosling. You're in the edit, months after shooting, and you need a cutaway shot of him reacting to a line. Do you 1) rebuild the set either physically or using VFX, and drag the A-list actor down to the studio to record a two-second shot, or 2) find a bit of footage where he's glancing in the right direction, from before the director called "action"?
#178 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 111 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:AgesOfTheIce wrote:Seems the fear we have is that the next singles coming out will be stuff we've already heard.
To be fair we've only heard that stuff because we're downloading motherfuckers. If the locker leaks hadn't happened, all the Chinese leftovers would be brand new songs to us. Sure, there probably would've been gripes about Atlas Shrugged being an old song, but literally no-one knew about Perhaps or State of Grace or Eye on You before the leaks; IIRC their titles had never been mentioned, so it's highly likely the fans would've (initially) hailed them as all-new songs.
If those songs hadn't leaked.....they wouldn't have been released.
That's a pattern for 21st century GNR. If leaks don't happen.... nothing gets released.
Only reason Chinese Democracy had three unheard songs is because they needed to pad out the album.
Yeah, but my point is... you don't get to complain that a song "isn't new" to you when you made the conscious decision to download an incomplete demo version of it before the artist chose to release it. If you'd chosen not to listen to it, then the song would be new to you if/when the polished, Slashified version popped up on Spotify (if indeed it ever did so).
That goes double when we had no inkling that many of the near-complete tracks from the lock-up auction, like Perhaps, existed. If Axl had chosen to release them on his own timetable, for all we knew they would've been entirely new songs cooked up by the NITL lineup. They certainly would've represented music that was new to us.
Would Axl have released them without the demos leaking? Who can say; it's irrelevant to the point I'm making.
#179 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 111 weeks ago
Seems the fear we have is that the next singles coming out will be stuff we've already heard.
To be fair we've only heard that stuff because we're downloading motherfuckers. If the locker leaks hadn't happened, all the Chinese leftovers would be brand new songs to us. Sure, there probably would've been gripes about Atlas Shrugged being an old song, but literally no-one knew about Perhaps or State of Grace or Eye on You before the leaks; IIRC their titles had never been mentioned, so it's highly likely the fans would've (initially) hailed them as all-new songs.
#180 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 111 weeks ago
Having listened to it: why the hell couldn't they get Axl to sing Pass You By? That would've been a perfect GN'R song, right there.
