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#181 Re: The Garden » Racial Discussion » 262 weeks ago
I think that there are times where the truth is insensitive. I think there are times we do more damage worrying about someone's feelings than actually how we can help them. I don't think there are many people (and this thread kind of proves it on a small scale) that really want to have the difficult conversations that need to be had if we're really going to make life better for people. Instead we just want to make ourselves feel better like we made a difference by blacking out our FB pages, watching BET for an hour, or professing some white privilege guilt.
There are ABSOLUTELY racist people in this country and around the world. There's not a lot, but they are out there. Some of them are white. Some of them are black. Some are Hispanic or another race/ethnicity. There are good and bad people of all races, religions, ethnicities, wealth/social status, career/company, etc. I believe strongly that there are less of those people than there used to be, but they still exist and it's likely they will always exist.
The problems facing blacks go well beyond racism. I'd argue that's a very small percentage of their challenges in today's world. The system isn't stacked against them specifically; it's stacked against the poor. Now within the poor, there are groups that have more advantages and less advantages, but it isn't solely because of their race.
I can only speak to my experiences in life, but in Chicago there was a big difference for blacks growing up in Cabrini Green (notorious housing development in Chicago...look it up if you've never heard of it) and growing up in say Kankakee (an hour or so south of Chicago). They weren't more or less black in one location. Did the kids in Kankakee have privilege over the ones at Cabrini Green? Did Obama's kids grow up with the same challenges as either group? How about black doctors, lawyers, professionals in any capacity...do they have the same challenges?
What if race isn't the issue, but it's systematic socioeconomic barriers that are holding people back? We have to agree that black people raised in the inner city are disadvantaged over black kids raised in suburban neighborhoods. But the same goes for every other race in those same circumstances. Are people racist against the inner city white kids?
For some reason, the perception is that the only path out of the inner city is through athletics or music (or some other non-education related path). When I lived in Chicago, the gangs pretty much left the athletes alone..especially the elite ones...even if they were gang affiliated. So is privilege a thing even in the black community?
Privilege absolutely exists, but I don't think it comes in the form that people seem to think it does. There's an enemy (so to speak), but they aren't going after the right one. Worse than that, they are being manipulated by the very people that are holding them down.
I'm sure to some this post will make me a racist in some people's eyes. That's unfortunate, but it is what it is. Those that actually know me know the truth and I am not too worried about what people that don't know me think.
#182 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 262 weeks ago
This is hilarious.
#183 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 262 weeks ago
That WHO statement was basically retracted.
Meanwhile, cases are exploding in many areas, primarily in the south and southwest. We're in this for the long haul.
So what's the latest story? How often can one organization be completely wrong?
Cases allegedly exploding...we'll see. When officials are saying protests and riots are fine (as long as they are for liberal causes) are okay and other gatherings are bad regardless of the reason, I'm going to choose to not believe anything they are telling us.
#184 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 262 weeks ago
Deleted. Needs more than I am willing to type on my phone
#185 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 262 weeks ago
Obama and Biden did take lengths to demilitarize police....trump overturned it just like everything else out of spite.
Because demilitarization made things better?
#186 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 262 weeks ago
Protections against firing LGBT due to their sexuality, and Trump just signed an EO requiring a national database of police officer offenses. Hopefully states and cities provide the information to make it work.
Thoughts on which way DACA goes? Parts of me thinks Roberts released the Title VII first, to setup the outrage over DACA. Not only was DACA itself unconstitutional, there’s no way they can argue Obama could create it, but Trump can’t remove it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the far leftists protesting each day don’t rally behind immigration soon too. If immigration becomes an election issue, it doesn’t bode well for Biden.
I'm sure that's the plan. Things are beyond f'd up. I mean Trump/Clinton was bad enough...after 4 years of Trump we now have Trump/Biden where Trump is Trump and Biden is not competent. So we have an idiot that can't keep his mouth shut against an idiot that can't remember what he meant to say. The debates should be interesting...
I can't wait until Biden tries to bring up the systematic racism after not doing anything about it for 8 years when he was in the white house or the however many other years he held public office. There's a systematic problem all right but I'm not sure it's what they think it is. The swamp needs to be drained, but if Trump can't do it, I'm not sure it can be done.
#187 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 262 weeks ago
Yea I mean...this is why I don't think I can participate in the Racism thread...look at you...you've provoked me for years. You've provoked others for years.
You're a disturbed individual. With nothing really to say.
This is 100% why nobody respects you mitch. That thread has nothing racist in it, yet you make excuses like this to avoid posting in it. Stop making excuses mitch. People are having a discussion (albeit a superficial one at this point) that you should care about.
I think you're afraid to post in it for two main reasons: 1) you can't pull the shit you pull in this thread there. 2) you're afraid that participation may eventually force you to admit the problem may be more class related than race related and that destroys your narrative. You're going to get blasted here regardless of your participation there. If that was your actual concern you wouldn't be posting here either.
RF is absolutely right about one thing: there are definitely people making a fortune pushing narratives (though it isn't just racial narratives).
#188 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 263 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:Yea... i can see how my concern for my children equates to you being an entitled douche bag.
Yes, because the news is just littered with state cops killing random mixed race children along the side of the road. Glad you guys survived that perilous situation.
It's actually more about what they are growing up in...ya know...and how they might process this shit...or not process it...but ya know...it's cool...
There's a whole thread just waiting for your input to discuss this very topic that it's noted you haven't participated in...
#189 Re: The Garden » Racial Discussion » 263 weeks ago
I have a ton of thoughts, but where to begin and where is the time. I attended a demonstration in my small town outside Chicago the other night, and one of the speakers said something that I’ve thought a lot about and posted about: redlining and housing and how it has affected the upward mobility of predominantly minorities, but also poor folks.
I will follow up but just wanted to chime in and say I’m not ignoring this thread.
I know you're not, but a lot of people are. Quite frankly with the ridiculous white guilt/shaming going around I don't blame them.
#190 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 263 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:I know what you mean. The Nepalese family 2 houses down asked for some help unloading lumber out of their truck. As I carried the wood to their back yard, I thought “is this it? Is this when Mount Everest erupts in Pittsburgh?” Luckily they just wanted to build some raised gardens and thanked me. But for a second....
Yea... i can see how my concern for my children equates to you being an entitled douche bag.
Yes, because the news is just littered with state cops killing random mixed race children along the side of the road. Glad you guys survived that perilous situation.