You're right about one thing: derailing the thread, but I'm not on badapplesforum and you're not on mygnr or a4d. Anyway, my apologies for that to the admins and rest of the folks on here. Over and out.

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@billbrasky

Did you ever see this image yourself personally before 2019?

Bill Brasky wrote:

Blackstar wrote:

There were some ADATs in Tom Zutaut's storage locker, if I'm not mistaken, although most of them probably not related to GN'R. Maybe a couple were, like the Sympathy For The Devil sessions (I think they were in ADATs).

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Brasky, I'm not participating or interested in any "credibility competition" with you. Not sure what your problem is. I have nothing to do with access to "insider information" or anything like that, and I have never played  this game.

Re: the "CD2" image, I was referring to an even larger screenshot than the one with Fernando's credentials, in which the credentials of the person who forwarded Fernando's email and of the person who received the forwarded email are also visible. This larger screenshot was shared with me when I used to question the authenticity of the cropped image. The one with just Fernando's credentials in Jen's tweet was shared earlier in that same thread, so how could I be referring to that as "not shared in public"?

Ma'am please don't derail this thread with off topic matters occurring on another forum.

But since you want discuss credibility, Do you find it odd you never admit your own mistakes or correctly give credit to others ?

You could've easily replied to me directly on badapplesforum or private messaged  me here instead you derail this thread.

Copy/ pasting articles and Chinese Whispers (A Masterpiece) does not give you credibility.

I don't want to come to badapplesforum (nothing against it, it's just not for me) but there are public posts on there (a forum I'm not a member of) referring to me, to which I wanted to respond in public. My bad. I had ignored it until now and I think I better go back to that. As for the rest about not admtting, not crediting, copy-pasting and all that, I don't know what you're on about.

Bill Brasky wrote:

Shacklermyrye wrote:

I obviously don't know that Tonto it is toothpuller but I  do wonder if the noise could be there as a shot or way of making fun of Izzy maybe.

The first time I heard about Toothpuller came from before the DATS had been discovered..

The following appeared in Metalsludge in 2006. There was no way of really backing the veracity of it until the DATS were discovered years later. If someone made up the Dizzy quotes then they would have had to guess that there was a song called Toothpuller (which is unlikely) Thanks to the DAT photos we can say that the song did exist, that it did have vocals & that at least Dizzy thought it was awful...

“Izzy used to be a great songwriter- his contributions to Guns N’ Roses first album are phenomenal. But, its almost like the guy has lost the fire… I mean I saw the guy a couple years back in the studio… and he was showing me a song he had just written called "Toothpuller" – it was literally about him visiting the dentist and getting a tooth pulled out. [Dizzy then sings some of the lyrics] I mean… this is a guy who wrote some badass songs and now he’s writing about getting his tooth pulled… I mean come on… can you imagine Axl singing that live?’(Dizzy https://metalsludge.tv/classic/?p=30945 )

“in April 1995, Duff calls again: “I’m trying to write new songs for the next GN’R record. Come lend me a hand.” It’d been five years since I’d left Guns, but I told myself, “Well shit, after all, why not?” Duff and I wrote ten songs in one week, and also made demos of them. And I thought, “It’s so easy.” When you work with someone like Duff, who loves music in the same way you do, everything becomes simple.” (French Izzy interview, 2001)

Some other comments on the time....

“He's been writing; he wrote some stuff with Duff. He wants to write songs, but he doesn't wanna deal with the whole thing. And it took me a while to finally get to the point where I couldn't handle it either, y'know? He wants to write material, but he's not really sure what he wants to do. He's so laid back. He doesn't want to deal with any pressure. Izzy does what he wants to do.” (Slash Metal Hammer November 1995)

“We recorded 10 songs in eight days. It got me excited about music again. I realized how easy the whole process could be. Those sessions were fun and painless. We just had a great time.”(Izzy Los Angeles Daily News, March 20, 1998)

“I'm using a Music Man Stingray. I started using it onstage. I've always liked these basses. Actually, when we were trying to do the Guns album I broke this bass out, and it just sounded amazing. It's bigger and fatter sounding. (Duff Hit  parader June 1999)

Dizzy quote is just stupid.
Saying Izzy used to be greag song writer but isn't now ? Coming from Mr Bongos that is hilarious.

Night Train is about shit malt iquor and was written by Izzy with Slash.
So a song about getting your tooth removed doesn't seem that crazy.

Also notice how Izzy worked on Velvet Revolver's first album Contraband but not on their second album Libertad which has a noticeable drop in quality ?

Izzy wasn't the best live but he's a helluva a song writer.

The fact Tooth Puller, Machine Gun and Down By The Ocean are Izzy and Duff songs is good for the fans and the band.

@troccoli any help my friend on what Machine Gun became hypothetically of course ?

I'm enjoying this conversation, it is insightful and i believe the community bouncing ideas and sharing information will lead to us discovering more about these tracks.

My opinion is that the vault is not empty and all future releases will come from the vault, songs that Slash or Duff worked on orginally are likely to be released.

A example of that is Hardschool.
Which i believe to be about Izzy.
It was the second release from the reunion era version of gnr.

@james where are you at brother ?

It's a shame we will probably never hear those DATs. There AMPEX 456's which are prone to sticky shed syndrome, so at least they will have been baked and backed up now they have been found. I'd be more interested in the ADAT's that both Sorum and Fink have spoken about separately, recording onto VHS tapes is a weird thing that happened in the 90's. Sorum mentioned in his book they had multiple machines linked together, I believe at The Complex.

I went and we played Guns songs and some cover songs and eventually I was bringing my ADAT tapes I was working on in my apartment.
There were so many. Some of them were picked for parts and some of them were recorded to the finish line and still exist somewhere. I don't know where. Robin Fink https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/in … k%20appeal.

To my knowledge no ADATs ever made there way out into the wild, presumably all in Iron Mountain now.