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#201 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
Wow! So Killing Vector how much does Axl pay you?
In lucidity.
#202 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
For the last time ? This is the first time I have directed comments to you.
Axl has reservations about the Hall.
He has greater reservations about standing on stage with Slash, Adler, Duff...ect as Guns N Roses.
I totally understand why.
#203 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
Noticed Axl had this pic with the letter, is this the first proper band photo we have of this lineup?
http://i42.tinypic.com/35aue0h.jpg
Also the fact he sent that with the statement is just another unnecessary back handed swipe at the old guys IMO.
LMAO.
Or perhaps it underlies exactly what Axl said in his letter: that he is looking toward the future with the group of guys he has in his employ.
#204 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
Well my take on the whole thing....
First thoughts are he is a very bitter old man that doesn't appear to have grown one ounce over the last 20 odd years. Rather he seems to have gotten worse, he is even more bitter and nasty now if that's possible. Not that I needed this HOF statement to confirm that.
As Monkey said, it seems the fact that he can't control this whole thing is definitely an element in his decision not to be there. Sounds like he has tried to negotiate with them over who is going, or who gets to play or maybe even who gets inducted.
If he has to stand on stage with individuals who have sued him multiple times for his livelihood, badmouthed him in the press, and outwardly lied about past events in an effort to smear him, then, yes, he should be willing to walk away from a situation where he could be embarrassed or forced to do something he is uncomfortable.
I thought this comment was interesting:
the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.
Maybe it was a big shock for him to come up against someone that actually said "NO" to him for a change. Must be a slap in the face to find out that not everybody bows down at the Rose Altar. Although just because someone didn't agree with him or bend over to accomodate him it doesn't automatically mean he's not wanted or respected. But then again when those people you sourround yourself with for years don't have the word "No" in their vocabulary when you want something, it must come as quite a shock when confronted with it.
You have a very distorted view of Axl Rose. He isn't under any obligation to attend, especially considering there are people on stage who have sued him for millions of dollars, accused him of fraud, theft, and even attempted to seize control of the band in court.
I also find these two statement contradictary:
had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame,......Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out.
Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.
If you haven't made any requests or demands then what is there to "work out". If you are after an "amicable solution", this implies a solution that is acceptable to both parties. Therefore it must involve some type of requests or demands from both sides. So which is it?
Axl's camp was in negotiations with the HOF, but never demanded that a set of conditions be met for his attendance. We don't know if he submitted an official request, but may have inquired about the induction, speeches, performances, dressing rooms; he may not have been comfortable with the arrangements and asked if there were any alternatives.
Finally, to refuse to accept his induction altogether is unforgiveable. That to me is another chance for him to indirectly control/influence the other old guys by basically shitting on their parade. By all means don't go for whatever petty reasons but seriously, don't fucken refuse the award. Yes it's his right, but fuck me have some level of graciousness and consideration for others for just once in your life.
Why exactly? A lot of people don't believe the RRHOF really stands for anything substantial. A lot of great bands/artists aren't in the Hall. In fact, the criteria for induction is so nebulous, no one really knows what it is.
So yeah. If Axl felt that he didnt want to be associated, then that is his right. Other bands have done exactly what he has.
#205 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
It should be Slash and Duff that should forgive Axl, not the other way around. Forgive him for pissing away the greatest band of my generation. Forgive him for starting riots. Forgive him for forcing them to sign over rights to the band. Forgive him for having guitar players not in the band, paul huge, play over his shit. Forgive him for fucking over fans. Forgive him for being late, always. Forgive him for not really being a team player. Forgive him for ruining the GNR brand. Forgive him for being a major pain in the ass.
The could have thanked him for all the good at the reward show. The fans, Slash, Duff, and Steven are the victims here, not Axl.
LMAO.
Wow.
I can honestly say we agree on nothing.
Quite a distorted view of the G&R history you have.
#206 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
Axl needs to read the Bible or anything that teaches people to forgive and not hold hate forever.
How much do you have to give before you realize that the receiving hand cannot be trusted? With the art, with the truth?
Axl's sentiments toward Adler are well known. It is very apparent that Adler viewed this induction as his ticket to pressure Axl into a reunion.
Slash sued Axl at least twice; once for the name of the band (a cocktail napkin with a signature wasn't enough to convince a judge) and once for fraud. He even lied about the visit to his house when Slash was having lead singer problems in VR.
What does Axl have to gain by trusting and forgiving these men again? At some point, you have to cut bait and move on.
#207 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
-D- wrote:There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.
What does this mean????
It means Axl isn't willing to be the bigger man ever, under any circumstances. Quite the opposite actually. What he wants is to be right even if he's not. To be recognized as the holy one. He wants everyone that he's in contact with or has been in contact with to bend to his will, do as he says, act the way he feels they should act, express opinions that he feels are worthy and basically do what he says. He's a lunatic. The fact he's not willing to have a conversation untill his dellusional concessions are met shows this. he's an asshole end of story.
I think it is more a problem of not having faith that the other guys will stand up and be bigger men. It is my belief that Axl so hated being on stage with loose lips (Adler) and double talkin' liars (Slash) that he felt there was more to lose than gain by taking the stage with them.
I give him credit for making a hard decision. From his note, there were negotiations between the Hall and his camp but the two sides could not come to an agreement.
Looking at the time line, recent comments by Adler (as late as early April) no doubt galvanized Axl's ill feeling about the event.
#208 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
Yeah. But he didn't say the Axl's version was right either. There are cases when both camps are lying. And as it seems, that happened years ago, and Slash didn't talk about it in the past few months. So it didn't hurt the chances of Axl coming out of his mansion.
Slash said he didn't talk to Axl. He did not deny making the trip and talking to someone else.
#209 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:We could review Steven's comments just in these past few months, culminating in an unsolicited attack against the new band.
I think there was a real danger he would say or do something to embarrass Axl.
To be fair, Slash's revisionist history of the infamous house visit certainly was ill timed.
Did Slash talk about that now? I missed it. Was badly timed, for sure, if happened. BTW we don't even know the real history, so it's bold to say what revisionism is in this case.
Anyway, I think those parts of Axl's letters are only there to dodge the attention from the real issue, the one Bono was talknig about.
The back and forth on the house visit issue is all out there. Without rehashing it and based on the behavior of Slash and other members of VR, I am confident Axl is telling the truth.
#210 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 689 weeks ago
We could review Steven's comments just in these past few months, culminating in an unsolicited attack against the new band.
I think there was a real danger he would say or do something to embarrass Axl.
To be fair, Slash's revisionist history of the infamous house visit certainly was ill timed.
