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#211 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
James wrote:darknemus wrote:I wrack my brain and I just can't think of any band where you can say that, other than GNR.
The only band I can think of that has some wacky stuff happen in its communities that even comes close to this is KISS.
What do your people say about this one?
The big debate since the leak is 'Soul Monster or not?"
It seems logical...but not everything is logical in the world of GNR.
Just to be clear..outside of rampant speculation and some logical extrapolation I don't know anything about this one.
I think the key here is to figure out why these were broken into two files and..more importantly.. why The General seems to have been tinkered with or modified in some manner before we got it.. intentional? No clue but it definitely seems like..of the two.. to have some continuity / flow issues that strike me more as an amateur error or intentional decision rather than a professional one.
I struggle to be convinced these are vinyl rips because..unless ripped from a very high quality vinyl setup they seem to be missing some telltale vinyl rip signs.. again it's impossible to know for sure though as.. at the moment we have way too many variables and just not enough data to lock them down.
One thing I am convinced of.. this isnt AI as I have seen suggested. Unless it's taken a generational leap in the last couple weeks I'm not aware of and I do run in those circles.
Im sure we will learn more soon one way or another.. my guess is probably not from any 'official' channels first though because..well...GNR.
I dont think the general was tinkered with. Remember the whole reason why the 7' was delayed is because the band was not happy with the mix. What is wrong with the general in its current state, the mix is shit. So if I had to guess, I would say the general we have is probably what would have been on the 7' and when they heard the final pressing they were not happy.
But the only thing with that is, like you said why dont we hear any hissing or pops something we would probaby hear if these were ripped from a record
#212 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Gagarin wrote:darknemus wrote:Rarely has a more accurate statement been uttered... just sayin'
Like most every other detail surrounding GNR, this leak is just 'weird'.. for a multitude of reasons. I'm a firm believer that the truth surrounding the details will get out there eventually so.. it is what it is.
For the record, I will say this - I f'n love "Monsters" (or wtfever its called...regardless, my sentiment remains)
#Peace
When do we get our HULU miniseries? They make one for everything nowadays.
Not soon enough.. I tell people all the time if you tried to write a book about all this stuff the publishers would be like "Umm, that's too far out there, even for us, and all we publish is alternative history science fiction based on mankind having developed in the hollow core of the Earth with cool dinosaur pets and stuff"
What I think amazes me the most is IT KEEPS HAPPENING at some level.. I wrack my brain and I just can't think of any band where you can say that, other than GNR.
That is because other bands dont have a house keeper and pool boy running the band lol
#213 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:FlashFlood wrote:I do feel like the bass slide on Monsters is a tell, but I also hear Finckishness. Long bends and weakish tone.
the bass sounds like slither
so if that is tommy from 1999 and not duff its crazy how tommy came up with a slither sounding bass line back then.
Yeah i meant it sounds like Duff but I hear at least some Finck in guitars. Which isn’t far-fetched based on the Perhaps solo fiasco.
yeah to me Monsters sounds like Duff like what he did in VR like on Slither.
What I mean about Tommy is, if that is not Duff on bass and its a demo from the CD sessions and its Tommy on bass, its crazy how Tommy came up with the slither bass lines before Duff
#214 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR goes on hiatus, NuGuns should reunite » 87 weeks ago
dave-gnfnr wrote:James wrote:Good point on how Slash/Duff have to sign off on everything.
Agree that it's time to move on. I think they're about to and that's why we're now getting these mythical songs.
They know which songs the fans have wanted for decades. One more batch would essentially wrap it up.
Do one more drip feed, have GNR management address the issue with hardcore fans telling them the CD saga is over and a new chapter has begun, and they'll see a lot of the negativity go away.
They don't have to release the rest of the material to please 99% of the hardcore base. Just the main songs.
Atlas
Oklahoma
SevenBoom... Chinese over.
Just put all the extra CD left over songs that have vocals on the CD anniversary addition and then they can move on
its really simpleI dont think its that simple. It should be but when $$$ is involved, concessions need to be made and or negotiated.
James wrote:younggunner wrote:The problem with anything new gnr related is $$$. Writing credits and touring will all lead to the old lineup. To much red tape for new gnr to have a run in any capacity. The only thing I can maybe see is some sort of box set of the CD era that Slash and Duff sign off on and throw Axl and company a bone. Even that can potentially undermine the current band if the versions with Bucket and Finck blow away the reworked songs.
Its time for Axl to move on from that era anyway since it doesn't have a future. Pick a few more songs for Slash to work on and release them. It's time to start focusing on new material with the current lineup.
Good point on how Slash/Duff have to sign off on everything.
Agree that it's time to move on. I think they're about to and that's why we're now getting these mythical songs.
They know which songs the fans have wanted for decades. One more batch would essentially wrap it up.
Do one more drip feed, have GNR management address the issue with hardcore fans telling them the CD saga is over and a new chapter has begun, and they'll see a lot of the negativity go away.
They don't have to release the rest of the material to please 99% of the hardcore base. Just the main songs.
Atlas
Oklahoma
SevenBoom... Chinese over.
agreed.
Compile all the new songs and a couple more and release it as an album. No promo is necessary. They are all taking a break after this tour doing their own thing. Solid holdover until the next fresh album which will take a few yrs to make and promote.
yeah
Axl should just do a solo album and put it on that
#215 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 87 weeks ago
I do feel like the bass slide on Monsters is a tell, but I also hear Finckishness. Long bends and weakish tone.
the bass sounds like slither
so if that is tommy from 1999 and not duff its crazy how tommy came up with a slither sounding bass line back then.
#216 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 87 weeks ago
Anyone have a link, still haven't heard it yet?
And is the consensus that The General is an older version?
No one is 100% sure
It does not sound like Slash yet the Monsters part does
Also its weird how the vocal mix is shit on The General and the reason why the record got delayed is bc they were not happy with the mix
I think these two versions are probably what we will be getting
#217 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR goes on hiatus, NuGuns should reunite » 87 weeks ago
younggunner wrote:The problem with anything new gnr related is $$$. Writing credits and touring will all lead to the old lineup. To much red tape for new gnr to have a run in any capacity. The only thing I can maybe see is some sort of box set of the CD era that Slash and Duff sign off on and throw Axl and company a bone. Even that can potentially undermine the current band if the versions with Bucket and Finck blow away the reworked songs.
Its time for Axl to move on from that era anyway since it doesn't have a future. Pick a few more songs for Slash to work on and release them. It's time to start focusing on new material with the current lineup.
Good point on how Slash/Duff have to sign off on everything.
Agree that it's time to move on. I think they're about to and that's why we're now getting these mythical songs.
They know which songs the fans have wanted for decades. One more batch would essentially wrap it up.
Do one more drip feed, have GNR management address the issue with hardcore fans telling them the CD saga is over and a new chapter has begun, and they'll see a lot of the negativity go away.
They don't have to release the rest of the material to please 99% of the hardcore base. Just the main songs.
Atlas
Oklahoma
SevenBoom... Chinese over.
Just put all the extra CD left over songs that have vocals on the CD anniversary addition and then they can move on
its really simple
#218 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 87 weeks ago
it has good drumming but when I think of crazy brain drumming I expected more lol
#219 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 87 weeks ago
carlossacanell wrote:I think there is a lack of creativity by Axl at the moment. The powerful bullets were used un CD and now... I want to have ALL, leftovers included. But a new material álbum i hope It would be more creative and had better songs.
The combination of the three, add Izzy contributions and there we'll find the Big guns and the MagicI want them too but I want everything lol. All versions of all songs. I mean if you line up the cell clip with that Monsters leak the differences are huge. There are structure changes and along with the guitars being different parts like the drum roll before the heavy section have been removed completely.
yeah I remember hearing back in the day the general had some crazy brain drumming on it, none of that is here, its all been removed.
I really want to hear that 2002 version of these songs.
#220 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 87 weeks ago
carlossacanell wrote:Big Guns could be going down or a new version of Oh My God... But this is weird....
Going Down a big gun?
Going Down is barely a wart on the ass of Dust N Bones/14 Years/So Fine.
carlossacanell wrote:I know the final version will be better. I'm sure.
But i have the perception that these songs, including perhaps, state of grace, Atlas etc are leftovers... Worse level than CD songs.
If this is the case, please leave themYes they're leftovers...but leave them?
It's all we're going to get! The fan base has hung in all these years for the final big guns.
If they leave them, you'll see an immediate exodus from these forums... including yourself.
polluxlm wrote:Izzy must be busy doing donuts around his house with a dirt bike.
Seriously, what is this guy up to? Seems he is not married and he hasn't released a solo album since 2010.
The Not In This Lifetime tours have been a never ending commercial for AFD and GH.
He's swimming in royalties from the past 7 years.
Goin down is just a gorilla village head left over
Its a good tommy solo song but not a good GNR song
The sad thing in all of this is the best stuff is those instrumentals and we dont even know if Axl put lyrics to them.
And even if he did would they even be that good of lyrics.
You could make a great album with
Zodiac
Quick Song
Rebel
Oklahoma
Me & My Elvis
Mustache
Tonto
Real Doll
Prom
