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#221 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why can't the fanbase drop the negativity even when there is good news » 203 weeks ago

I'm excited because I had lost hope for the more "experimental" or Bucket-esque CD 2 tracks, but if Silkworms is in the running than anything is possible.

#222 Re: Guns N' Roses » Absurd » 203 weeks ago

Is it me or did Axl seem more "animated" and excited singing this than anything else over the past few years?

#223 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 203 weeks ago

James wrote:

Soul Monster a lock?

Nothing is a lock.

Who wrote Soul Monster? Would the GNR camp want that person getting royalties now?

Does Slash like the song? How about Duff?

I agree in spirit that if Silkworms is in contention for anything....all bets are off and a potential album could have a very unusual track list.

Whatever they're doing...I hope it's soon.


Edit

I would imagine Buckethead songs are off limits. He cares nothing about GNR and I doubt he will be continually rewarded for that stance.

1.Pitman was the writer for Silkworms, and while we don't know what the new version sounds like, I think he wrote the basic structure that is the backbone of the song so I don't know if he could be denied writing credits. If Axl is willing to give royalties to Pitman I doubt he would have a problem with doing so with Bucket.

2.As of the December 2008 chats Axl seemed to have a positive opinion of Bucket and I doubt Bucket simply never saying anything about GNR would make Axl sour on him in the last decade. Bucket says almost nothing about anything.

3.If it was an issue, I think it would be easy to complete strip off the guitars from a song like SM (assuming it is in fact MAME) and just letting Slash write the thing entirely anew, denying Bucket royalties. Once again I think this would be easier than taking what Pitman wrote out of Silkworms.

4.If Axl has not written much in the way of new music in the last decade (all speculation but I think it's where the evidence lies, Slash/Duff have referenced the vault music in dozens in interviews and never a single mention of a new track, not to mention Silkworms isn't exactly the cream of the crop so if it's still in contention there can't be much more), than Slash and Duff might not have much choice in picking out these tracks. If they want a new album to sell another major tour, they'll have to go with the songs Axl has recorded vocal tracks for, like them or not.

#224 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 203 weeks ago

If (massive) that's legit, the good news is that stuff like Soul Monster has to be a lock, right? I mean, a lot of us we're worried they would only use CD II songs that fit Slash's style like Hardschool, but if Silkworms is in play...

#225 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 203 weeks ago

faldor wrote:
metallex78 wrote:

Making up for lost money…. that’s funny,  when they’ve all made more money than anyone would need for several lifetimes.

Money is clearly the only motivating factor for Axl’s absolutely abysmal display, because he doesn’t seem to care enough to put any effort into his performance.

Just because they already have a lot of money doesn’t mean they don’t want/need more. They’re used to living a certain lifestyle and were taking in millions a year and that all went away suddenly. I know it’s not easy to hear or comprehend, but it’s reality.

From the clips I saw, they seemed to be in good spirits. So I don’t agree that they’re just going through the motions and don’t care what product they’re putting out. They’re doing it for the money. They added Dead Horse, granted it’s only 1 song, but it’s something. You’re Crazy hasn’t been played a lot either. Slither is played to throw a bone to Slash and Duff playing the CD songs.

I get the frustration, but I also get what they’re doing and why they’re doing it. We’ve been having the same discussions and complaints for years now. Shame on us if we keep on spinning our wheels. I’m skipping out on this tour, mainly because of finances and other things. I’d love to hear Dead Horse though, despite the lackluster performance last night. But I’d rather wait for some more substantial changes.

As Axl alluded to a few times though, we spent a year locked in our houses basically and we’re back to bitching about the same things. So I guess we are indeed back to normal. I try to enjoy what we do have instead of dwelling on what we don’t, but that’s just me. To each their own.

Dead Horse debuted in 2019 and has been played in every show since, including all five of the last 2019 shows, and both 2020 shows. It cannot be considered an addition at this point. Maybe if it was played sporadically like Locomotive, but that's not the case.

#226 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 203 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
AgesOfTheIce wrote:

Someone on HTGTH posted this defense of Axl:

"There was absolutely nothing wrong with his voice. I was up front in the PIT. His mic was cutting out randomly throughout the songs. A good example was during Better. I heard him hammering the lyrics but they didn't come out over the sound system. The "gasp of air" people are referring to is him not choosing to sing those lyrics because they were vocally intense. OR the mic was cutting out. He used those moments to communicate with the sound guys. You can see him by the drums looking to the side stage,  talking into the mic, pointing around, and like he's explaining things to some one. It seemed like he was talking to the sound people more than singing.

He gave up the vocally intense lyrics after Better. Just YouTube Jungle. He didn't even attempt the opening scream and did the ending using very clean and safe vocals.

I hope they get things fixed for the next show so he can give 100%."

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP BLAMING THE FUCKING SOUND MAN!!!! Axl is 60 almost and every bad show they blame the sound man. EVERY FUCKING TIME. If it is the sound man call the AC/DC sound man and hire him.

They also always say "Axl sounds great at the gig, it just doesn't translate onto video". Funny how this entire phenomenon completely skipped 2006/2010/2016.

#227 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 204 weeks ago

Someone on HTGTH posted this defense of Axl:

"There was absolutely nothing wrong with his voice. I was up front in the PIT. His mic was cutting out randomly throughout the songs. A good example was during Better. I heard him hammering the lyrics but they didn't come out over the sound system. The "gasp of air" people are referring to is him not choosing to sing those lyrics because they were vocally intense. OR the mic was cutting out. He used those moments to communicate with the sound guys. You can see him by the drums looking to the side stage,  talking into the mic, pointing around, and like he's explaining things to some one. It seemed like he was talking to the sound people more than singing.

He gave up the vocally intense lyrics after Better. Just YouTube Jungle. He didn't even attempt the opening scream and did the ending using very clean and safe vocals.

I hope they get things fixed for the next show so he can give 100%."

#228 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 204 weeks ago

You know, when the TV show Dexter completely went down the tubes in the last few seasons, I remember listening to a podcast where a reviewer said she was just "hatewatching" the show at that point. When I looked up the setlist last night and laughed out loud instead of feeling that deep disappointment like Rio 2011, I realized I have finally reached that point with GNR. It's just LOLs from here on out.

#229 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 204 weeks ago

James wrote:
AgesOfTheIce wrote:

I can't fucking believe Slither & BHS are still on the setlist. What the actual fuck. If Axl insists on playing covers at least vary it up a bit. Play The Last Fight or Messages, VR tracks that would go better with his current voice. If you still need to play Soundgarden, play RATYW or something. Slash keep shredding and getting more technical, give him a challenge.

Nobody cares about The Last Fight and even less care about Messages. You want them playing VR deep cuts and B sides in 2021?!?

The audience would think they are brand new songs. This would cause any potential that Hardschool has to be squandered.

When looking at things such as set lists, you have to stop looking at it from a hardcore fan perspective.

It's not about hardcore fans anymore and hasn't been for a long time. It's about casual fans and will be until the end of the line.

Hell....GNR management...which literally spent nearly 20 years obsessed with forums....no longer gives the tiniest of shits about them.

They only care about social media...which is where casual fans reside.

They aren't seeing requests for VR deep cuts on social media....and wouldn't play them if they did.

Do you know what they're seeing on social media?

Jungle....SCOM....PC....NR.... Patience.....the occasional mention of something new.


I just hope Hardschool is staying in the set even though I'm not a big fan of it. They're not playing it for hardcores.... they're playing it for a large audience...and there has to be a reason for it.

I don't think evidence backs up your assertion about TB. Fernando spends almost no time on social media, however he held several Q&As  on GNR Reddit in 2019 and 2020, and gave a 2 hour interview on the GNFNR discord chat last year. He was still doing MYGNR chats in 2018, and only stopped because he was pissed at the way they handled the leaks.

I get your point about the confusion about VR deep cuts being new songs, so that wouldn't be a great idea. But I doubt there were many requests for Wichita Lineman on social media either, not to mention The Seeker which they've played a thousand times. Speaking of social media, the NITL select of BHS released in December was a laughing stock on both Twitter and Facebook and even had some mainstream music news sites mocking it. If Axl is going to do covers he should at least do ones he can sing well. Just look at Youtube comments on Slither videos, lots of casuals not impressed at all with that chorus.

#230 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 204 weeks ago

I can't fucking believe Slither & BHS are still on the setlist. What the actual fuck. If Axl insists on playing covers at least vary it up a bit. Play The Last Fight or Messages, VR tracks that would go better with his current voice. If you still need to play Soundgarden, play RATYW or something. Slash keep shredding and getting more technical, give him a challenge.

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