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#221 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:Wow with you. There is no winning with you. This is a discussion it doesn’t need to have a winner and a loser. And the topics can be fluid. I don’t know what the fuck your problem is all the time.
You do what you do every time and this is how I will handle you every time you do it to keep the peace. I was not in any conversation about why we were in Iraq, I didn't say anything about why we were in Iraq, and I will not be saying anything about why we were in Iraq because that is fairly well documented. If you want to have that discussion with others, go for it. I will not be participating; nor will you force me into participating by saying I said something that I didn't.
So as I said, have a nice day.
You are in a thread in which all of these topics are relevant today. Me responding to you specifically does not mean that I am assuming you said anything. If that’s how you’ve been interpreting this for the past few years then I get why you are so offended all the time.
No bro, you made up something to get me into a conversation I have zero interest in. Show me one post - any post - I made in this thread where I said anything about why we got into Iraq besides the ones telling you I'm not interested in that discussion. You replied to my post, so tell me what I said that gave you ANY indication I was interested in discussing why we were in Iraq.
#222 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
Now if mitch wants to talk about why Obama didn't pull the troops since I did mention that twice and he ignored it, I'd be open to that conversation...until he says I said something I didn't; then that conversation will be over too.
#223 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
I'm not attacking you, I think buzz ignoring you when you are trying to join the discussion is wrong but that's on him.
I've no issue with you whatsoever.
Nope. I'm ignoring him when he's changing the whole discussion to something that fit's his narrative by saying (and I quote):
Ok...uh...we weren’t deceived into Iraq? Ok buddy
Well, I never said whether we were or weren't. Mitch wants to have this discussion because it makes him feel good. I'm not interested.
#224 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:You’re misinterpreting me. You are the one misunderstanding. Irish original question was about when did we (Americans) begin to mistrust our government so much. Or something to that affect.
Have a good day mitch.
Wow with you. There is no winning with you. This is a discussion it doesn’t need to have a winner and a loser. And the topics can be fluid. I don’t know what the fuck your problem is all the time.
You do what you do every time and this is how I will handle you every time you do it to keep the peace. I was not in any conversation about why we were in Iraq, I didn't say anything about why we were in Iraq, and I will not be saying anything about why we were in Iraq because that is fairly well documented. If you want to have that discussion with others, go for it. I will not be participating; nor will you force me into participating by saying I said something that I didn't.
So as I said, have a nice day.
#225 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:Ok...uh...we weren’t deceived into Iraq? Ok buddy
Remember when I said you read stuff and then make up what you wanted someone to say?
Have a nice day mitch.
You’re misinterpreting me. You are the one misunderstanding. Irish original question was about when did we (Americans) begin to mistrust our government so much. Or something to that affect.
Have a good day mitch.
#226 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
The thing I think a lot of people don't get is all this is not an American problem, its a global problem that will require a global solution. America takes the brunt of the blame simply because they are currently the biggest, strongest, but what happens in the rest of the world dictates American policy so its all globally evolving the end of the day.
With how information is digested now I do smell a huge revolution of some kind is coming, maybe even in our lifetime. Will it be a good thing or bad? Well have to wait an see.
I made this comparison somewhere, but don't think it was here. Did anyone watch Revenge of the Sith? I think we're all being manipulated behind the scenes by the same people. Don't know who, don't know exactly how, but I believe it's happening at least on some level. We have our issues for sure, but someone is benefiting from keeping the racial and socioeconomic divide there.
It's not me, though I guess the good news personally is I pulled myself from the poor growing up and being homeless in my late teens/early twenties at one point into the dwindling middle-class. That's probably why I am so anti-socialism. I worked hard to better myself and I damn well don't want someone pulling me back down.
#227 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:And maybe that was The deception. They sold the whole thing to the public based on lies and the real agenda was to find a reason to get there so we could police it. I think that goes all the way back to the original question Irish asked.
Have a good day mitch.
Ok...uh...we weren’t deceived into Iraq? Ok buddy
Remember when I said you read stuff and then make up what you wanted someone to say?
Have a nice day mitch.
#228 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:Please explain how this applies to Iraq. Those aren’t the reasons we originally went there.
It doesn't matter any more why we went there. Get into reality mitch. We're there. We can't just leave and even your god Obama didn't just leave for a reason. Stop and absorb that. Life isn't fantasy land. There are consequences for everything. NOTHING comes without a cost and not all cost is financial cost.
And maybe that was The deception. They sold the whole thing to the public based on lies and the real agenda was to find a reason to get there so we could police it. I think that goes all the way back to the original question Irish asked.
Have a good day mitch.
#229 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Listen, I'd be thrilled to stay out of most of the international conflicts that we get into, so I'm certainly not an advocate of any of this. But the reality is we are the free world's police force whether we like it or not. That's why many of those countries don't spend like we do. If we didn't, they'd have no choice but to spend more.
People globally may view us negatively, but we get the first call from anyone facing issues they don't know how to solve regardless of what that issue is. You cannot expect us to bail countries out when they are in trouble then expect us to walk away allowing whatever it was to happen again. We're going to protect our interests. You can't have one without the other. Not the way things are now or have been since WWI. Regardless of why we were in the Middle East, just leaving wasn't an option. Obama wanted to do it and knew he couldn't. If we're going to be everybody's big brother, there's a cost that goes along with it.
Absolutely, Europe has to hold a lot of the blame for how America is globally. At the same time I think the US needs to step back and stop letting Europe use them whenever it suits. Let these European countries sort most shit out themselves. They are too dependent on your military and it simply costs you too much. It cannot go on forever.
To be clear, I think this side of the pond has fallen out with some of your policies, but they support the American people strongly as seen all across the world.
Absolutely and I am all for it personally. I've gotten yelled at for being an "isolationist" but many of our problems come from the fact that we don't just say fuck it you're on your own. I'd love to, but the consequences of doing that would be greater than status quo. So we do what we have to and then our own people attack us for doing it. It's a bad situation with no solution right now. If all those socialist countries had to support more military, their economies would crash hard. We're kind of stuck here.
#230 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 264 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Listen, I'd be thrilled to stay out of most of the international conflicts that we get into, so I'm certainly not an advocate of any of this. But the reality is we are the free world's police force whether we like it or not. That's why many of those countries don't spend like we do. If we didn't, they'd have no choice but to spend more.
People globally may view us negatively, but we get the first call from anyone facing issues they don't know how to solve regardless of what that issue is. You cannot expect us to bail countries out when they are in trouble then expect us to walk away allowing whatever it was to happen again. We're going to protect our interests. You can't have one without the other. Not the way things are now or have been since WWI. Regardless of why we were in the Middle East, just leaving wasn't an option. Obama wanted to do it and knew he couldn't. If we're going to be everybody's big brother, there's a cost that goes along with it.
Please explain how this applies to Iraq. Those aren’t the reasons we originally went there.
It doesn't matter any more why we went there. Get into reality mitch. We're there. We can't just leave and even your god Obama didn't just leave for a reason. Stop and absorb that. Life isn't fantasy land. There are consequences for everything. NOTHING comes without a cost and not all cost is financial cost.
