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#231 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
James wrote:I wish they didn't always have to play Scooby Doo sooper sekrit mystery.
In a perfect (normal) world...Slash, Duff, or preferably Axl would log into Twitter, acknowledge the leak, and give a brief synopsis of the track(s) and how it went down.
It would be so easy to do this.
It's the only fan base that has to debate which band members are on songs.
Not kicking a gift horse in the mouth...a leak is a leak...but getting information along with the music would work wonders.
Without any bashing, intentional or otherwise, I will express this opinion - keeping in mind its my own only and based upon MY observations re: this band.
As long as TB is 'running the show' so to speak, what you've suggested above has about a -3278% chance of happening, give or take.
One can only hope things change on that information flow front.. but I have my doubts.
Yeah I've been complaining about their incompetence for years. Every single thing they do gets screwed up somehow.
Imagine how amazing all of this could've been with real managers steering the ship.
It's soul monster, they were always 2 diff songs and no strings part was an interlude
Yep...that seals it.
2 songs that got worked on and painted over so many times, Beltrami himself barely recognized them.
Kinda insane when you think about it.
Haven't read mygnr yet today. Some of those guys must be shitting bricks over their "It's one epic song and if you believe otherwise you're a moron!" theory.
#232 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Getting to hear both of these songs is closure in a way for me being a fan of the band since 2006.
I need Oklahoma for closure.
Always have, always will.
I'd like one or two others... preferably Seven...maybe Thyme...but Oklahoma is Numero uno, the big salami, the top dog, the head honcho, the creme de la creme, the big cheese.
#233 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
I wish they didn't always have to play Scooby Doo sooper sekrit mystery.
In a perfect (normal) world...Slash, Duff, or preferably Axl would log into Twitter, acknowledge the leak, and give a brief synopsis of the track(s) and how it went down.
It would be so easy to do this.
It's the only fan base that has to debate which band members are on songs.
Not kicking a gift horse in the mouth...a leak is a leak...but getting information along with the music would work wonders.
#234 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
I love what RTB did with the songs, and I’ll never understand the love for Beavan’s production
The Beavan material is the album(s) at its purest. If you properly mix/master that material, it's ready to go.
The only downside is all the songs weren't finished yet. There's less to work with when coming up with a track list.
James ill get around to comparing the accapella's, you maybe right about the quick song thing.
I had forgot you were already working on this.
We definitely need it in higher quality... especially The General.
I guess it's an improvement over tweaking that cell clip. 
#235 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Who was in charge of the tracks? Was it AXL? or label? If we can see there were better songs to be on Chinese Democracy, why couldn't AXL or the label see it?
Mostly I think Axl's depression/anxiety and then also the fact that he had no leverage with the label to make things happen. Instead of a timely and strange (and sometimes great) album, we got people trying to bluff him into turning in a record with 12 number 1 hits.
Fall, 2000:
Bob Ezrin: Axl, we are not ready to mix this record. This record isn’t ready to be mixed. There are two great songs on it and I know that you’re capable of more, that’s the reason why I’m here. You’re such a great talent and I would do you a disservice if I didn’t tell you the truth, which is that most of the songs aren’t great. But I‘m very happy to help you get there and I believe that it’s possible, if you would like to continue to work on the record, to make it better.'
Axl: I don’t agree with that. We are ready to mix.
Bob Ezrin: You have my number, if you change your mind let me know."It was a bummer. Most of the songs that are on the record now were done *years* ago. But all the talking heads in the mix were saying, “Make ’em sound better! Make ’em sound better!” So we kept redoing this and that." - Tommy Stinson
"Every time that we thought that we had the correct songs, somebody from the record company thought that we could make it better." - Axl Rose
It blows me away they had to keep working on the same set of songs over and over again...which achieved the opposite effect. They were made worse.
Such a waste.
the fact that he had no leverage with the label.
I know two ways to get some leverage....
1. Hire Azoff 6 years earlier than he did. He'll get the album out.
2. Leak the goddamn thing on Napster in 2001-2. The label would whip up a strategy quick.
This exact thing happened to Audioslave with their debut album.
Leaks don't slow things down...they speed them up.
#236 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
James wrote:misterID wrote:It could have been that they were always meant to bleed into each other. Those orchestrations were really long and intricate
Everyone forgets the interludes... probably because it was only mentioned once.
Both these songs may have initially had an interlude sandwiched between them.
James wrote:wagszilla wrote:James refresh my mind on the interludes thing.
I just looked it up and it's not in CD Whispers. Fuck.
It was probably a Stinson and/or Fortus email in 2005 and obviously all those types of things weren't archived. The majority of CD Whispers is articles/interviews.
You mean this?
"I recorded a little bitty thing [for CD] last week, for like a, sort of a quick little interlude to another song." (Tommy, Rhinocast, 01/16/06)
Yep...that's it. How did that not come up in my search? All that came up was me talking about interludes.
I like that at 2.50 in The General there is clearly the sound of sampled frog's ribbiting behind the strings part and nobody at all has brought it up lol
Something I noticed...
When listening really loud last night those "Oooh Ooohs" in the background on Monsters sound awfully close to those on Quick Song. Just snippets of it added to this song.
Coming round to the idea that it is Slash and Duff on Monsters
The General, I’m convinced that is Finck etc
There's definitely something different about the two. Another reason I don't buy the theory that it's one song that the leaker split in two.
The more we hear of these songs, the more Better seems like an outlier. Poppy, newer Axl vocals, Bucket/Robin. Doesn’t really fit with what’s heard on CD and these leaks. I wonder if the record company recognized it as the best chance at a radio friendly hit and forced it on the album.
Yep.
It does stick out like a sore thumb.
Someone...Axl...the label...noticed it was the only thing he/they had with a snowballs chance in H E double hockey sticks to hit the top 40 charts.
It's probably the first single in an alternate timeline of 2006.
This was our clue....
Once it was shit canned for PC, that was our clue it wasn't coming out.
Come on now, those vocal lines are killer.
This is a serious song too, while most of CD just feels like whatever. An album with this, OMG, State of Grace etc. would be a much more credible album with a unifying sound. Remove the "UYI 3" type songs like TWAT and The Blues to a separate EP, then make CD be dark and gritty like this. Massive album.
Yeah the album is simply too monotonous/repetitive. It keeps covering the same ground.
Around 2-3 of those songs should've been ditched in favor of these two or something else.
Street of Dreams
There Was A Time
This I Love
Prostitute
The album did not need all 4 of those. It's too much.
Ditch two of them.
Scraped
Shacklers Revenge
Ditch one.
An interesting album could potentially take shape.
Harmon is right...the 2006-8 leaks really impacted the album.
Chinese Democracy
Better
IRS
Sorry
Madagascar
The General
Monsters
Riad
Catcher In The Rye
Arlas Shrugged
There Was A Time
If The World
Prostitute
Put that on the launch pad in 2006...or earlier.
#237 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
The General is a masterpiece. Best song made by nu guns.
Unless Slash is attempting to emulate Finck and BH he is not playing on this track. No way.
I don't know about a masterpiece...but yeah both these songs would've been on the album in a perfect world.
This is the kinda stuff I was expecting for Chinese Democracy on day one and it's unfortunate it took so long for tracks like this to surface.
We really need this in better quality.
#238 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
Credit to D... from MYGNR he messaged Beltrami about these songs.
As promised, update. Mr Marco Beltrami was kind enough to answer me (love him, became a fan in 2003 with his score for Terminator 3, was amazed Axl hired him when I learnt about it years later). Here is his answer:
"Hi Guillaume,
wow, you really are racking my brain here because it was so long ago, but this is what I remember:
I was hired to do orchestration/arranging for 8 songs. I believe only a few were released on the album that came out a while ago.
every song was distinct. any connection between songs I was not aware of at the time, so yes they were all separate orchestrations.
yes, I remember a song called “seven” was my favorite but maybe its changed or evolved since then?? I could be wrong, but the two you list here sound a bit reworked from what I remember.
sorry i can’t be more helpful
marco"
I asked him another set of question to fully confirm if Soul Monster is Monsters, hope he will answer.
But I think we could almost already assume The General, and Monsters, were not connected originally.
Almost 100% sure Monsters=Soul Monster now.
Edited 1 minute ago by D..
This is as close to confirmation we'll get that it's Soul Monster.
The big story there is those CD liner notes weren't wrong after all...it really is both Buckmaster and Beltrami on those songs. Wacky.
#239 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
I wrack my brain and I just can't think of any band where you can say that, other than GNR.
The only band I can think of that has some wacky stuff happen in its communities that even comes close to this is KISS.
What do your people say about this one?
The big debate since the leak is 'Soul Monster or not?"
It seems logical...but not everything is logical in the world of GNR.
#240 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 86 weeks ago
James wrote:FlashFlood wrote:I’m going to write fan fiction for this band.
We've all been doing that for 20+ years!
Rarely has a more accurate statement been uttered... just sayin'
Like most every other detail surrounding GNR, this leak is just 'weird'.. for a multitude of reasons. I'm a firm believer that the truth surrounding the details will get out there eventually so.. it is what it is.
For the record, I will say this - I f'n love "Monsters" (or wtfever its called...regardless, my sentiment remains)
#Peace
It's good to see you again. Haven't chatted with you in years.
Yeah it is weird...just drops out of the blue hours after the fan base was nutting up over the vinyl.
We've never had one like that before. There's usually some fun and games surrounding them....
