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#241 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL goes AWOL » 864 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:Axlin08 wrote:Axl needs to crawl back.
Do you think he sees it that way? And if he sees that people see it that way, he's gonna turn away. Isn't that the Axl way?
No, I don't think Axl sees it that way.
But isn't Axl the king of being unpredicatable?
Wouldn't the predicatable move be to continue to hate on the old band, and refuse to reunite, so the unpredictable move would be to reunite?
G n' F'n' R's 2009!
:laugh::butt:
I don't know. Axl's become quite predictable over the years.
As for the article I completely buy that he has been AWOL, but I am with bigbri. Axl's ego is the insurmountable roadblock to a reunion.
#242 Re: Guns N' Roses » Thoughts On "Excuses" » 864 weeks ago
CD had so many factors going against it so it's hard to point out one thing, but if I had to point out it would be the point Bono just made. I think Black Ice is an inferior album to CD, but it sold more because AC/DC made the type of album their hardcore fans could appreciate. Most importantly, the lead single is a hit song that sounds like classic AC/DC.
CD is a departure from the sound that the old fans fell in love with and it's not the same band so it alienates the old fans. It also lacks the hits to create new fans. Right or wrong AFD part 2 probably would have been more successful.
#243 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » VR seek Irish Frontman » 864 weeks ago
He reminds me of Bon Scott. I really like his tunes on his band's myspace. I think he would be a good choice, but I am definitely taking it with a grain of salt.
#244 Re: The Sunset Strip » Recomend me some music » 864 weeks ago
Acquiesce wrote:Bono wrote:Is the Killers' new one actually good? I like the Killers but the new single is a bit too Pet Shop Boys for me.
I thought the new Killers would be a disaster, but I really like it. It's probably their weakest album, but still a fairly solid effort.
Hmmm.... I might just have to pick it up. I have their first three so why not I guess.
Yeah, I bought it just because I liked the first three. I thought it was going to be awful when I saw some of Brandon Flower's quotes on the album, but it was a pleasant surprise to me. I put down CD after 2 days and have been spinning Day & Age instead. I think it's a grower. I like it more and more with each listen. I think I like Hot Fuss and Sam's Town more, but it's still enjoyable.
#245 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Re-Visiting Contraband » 864 weeks ago
I completely agree with you D. I think Contraband is a good rock album with a lot of catchy tunes that stick in my head. I also think Libertad is criminally underrated. Neither of these albums live up to the original GNR and they aren't mindblowing, but they are solid albums nonetheless, IMO. I don't get the hate for them. I don't think they are any worse than CD that's for sure. I enjoy all of VR's ballads way more than the ballads on CD. Scott is an inferior vocalist and lyricist to Axl, but I like the simplicity of VR's ballads more than the over the top and sometimes corny CD ballads. I also think Slash has much more feel and emotion on these songs which elevate them unlike the guitarists on the CD ballads.
#246 Re: Guns N' Roses » Thoughts On "Excuses" » 864 weeks ago
I agree that it is too early to label this a complete failure. I think the second week sales will give us more of an indication as to where the album is going. I also think Axlin08 is correct that this isn't 1987 and I think it's very unlikely this album will be a grower. Better might give it a shot in the arm, but outside of Better there aren't any radio friendly hits on the album. Even if there was this is a completely different musical climate and people generally don't buy albums for one or two songs. Many people have already checked out CD through Myspace and the torrent sites. I am not sure one or two songs being released to radio is going to be enough to convince them to spend $12 on it when listening to the whole album wasn't enough.
#247 Re: The Sunset Strip » Recomend me some music » 864 weeks ago
Is the Killers' new one actually good? I like the Killers but the new single is a bit too Pet Shop Boys for me.
I thought the new Killers would be a disaster, but I really like it. It's probably their weakest album, but still a fairly solid effort.
#248 Re: Guns N' Roses » Gene Simmons lashes out at Axl Rose » 864 weeks ago
Well said Axlin08. I love how some fans get all butt hurt when Axl is criticized. People need to open their eyes and realize there is a reason why Axl is constantly criticized by his musical peers. It's not because he is some poor misunderstood individual that is unfairly picked on for no good reason. It's because he has brought it onto himself. Axl is the stereotypical celebrity with an out of control ego that thinks the world revolves around him and the rules do not apply to him.
Slash in comparison is generally well-liked by his musical peers and music fans because he comes across as a guy you could have a drink with and share stories.
I don't like Kiss' music, but I do respect Gene as a businessman. More importantly, I respect the fact that he works hard to earn his money instead of thinking he is entitled to everything. He could easily take his fans for granted like Axl, but he recognizes he would be nothing without them.
As for his comments, it came across as harsh to bring up the molestation, but he's simply saying that there is no excuse for poor behavior. His comments were right on the money.
Also...I think Axl has been late the times he has been late because he hasn't been in the right mindframe to perform or peform at a level he considers best for fans. I don't think it's any kind of intentional 'fuck you' or anything...And while that can be inconvienient....I see it as a regrettable but sometimes necessary part of his process. He makes up for it with A1 peformances and great albums.
Come on let's call it for what it is. He goes on late because he is a primadonna. The whole nonsense about him needing to be in the right frame of mind to give us the best show is horseshit. There is no reason why he couldn't put on a great show on time. It's just primadonna bullshit.
#249 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy official reviews thread » 865 weeks ago
Philadelphia Inquirer's review:
Axl Rose delivers, after 17 years
By Dan DeLuca
Inquirer Music Critic
At long last, Chinese Democracy has arrived. And on behalf of procrastinators everywhere, I'd like to offer hearty congratulations to Axl Rose for finally completing his magnum opus.
After all, why do today what you put off for 17 years? That's how long it's been since Guns N' Roses put out an album of original music. It was 1991 when the savage Los Angeles hard-rock band, in a characteristic act of hubris, released two, with Use Your Illusion I and II.
But is that really so long to wait? Sure, Michelangelo knocked out the Sistine Chapel ceiling in four years, but the dude got to lie flat on his back the whole time. Axl, like Atlas, has had to carry the weight of an ever-changing world on his shoulders for nearly two decades.
And he's still managed to unleash the 14-song, 71-minute, shockingly good Chinese Democracy (Black Frog ***½), which goes on sale today exclusively at Best Buy, in just the same amount of time it took James Joyce to write Finnegan's Wake.
Along the way, Rose has been written off as a petulant, tantrum-throwing monomaniac, not to mention an obsessively neurotic tinkerer who, at last count, had spent more than $13 million on an album that even ardent GN'R fans had given up on ever hearing.
It's turned out, however, that the red-headed, hip-shimmying, now 46-year-old Rose is a genius when it comes to at least one thing: expectation management.
All the other key GN'R members are long gone from the band, including onstage foil Slash, bass player Duff McKagan, and crucially, guitarist Izzy Stradlin, the band's best songwriter.
"Oh My God," Axl's only GN'R music to come out in the interim (on the soundtrack to the 1999 Arnold Schwarzenegger movie End Of Days) was a dismal, dull disappointment. New GN'R gigs often proved to be debacles, like the 2002 show at the Wachovia Center that never happened because Axl stayed in his New York hotel room, instigating a near-riot. And the dense, deep-voiced Chinese teaser "Shackler's Revenge," released in September on the video game Rock Band, hardly seemed buzz-worthy.
So it stood to reason that if Chinese Democracy ever came out, it was bound to be a bloated, Heaven's Gate of a letdown, a would-be masterpiece weighed down by self-importance, woefully out of step with times that have long since passed him by.
But with expectations thus diminished, Chinese Democracy turns out to be the surprise of a season that's already seen comeback albums by hard-rock acts Metallica and AC/DC.
It doesn't suck, after all. And while it's proudly excessive and unquestionably epic, with as many as five multi-tracked guitarists in Robin Finck, Paul Tobias, Richard Fortus, Buckethead and Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal filling in for Slash and Stradlin, the album only occasionally comes off as gratuitously indulgent.
Chinese Democracy - which Rose is said to have named after seeing Martin Scorsese's Kundun in 1997, and has been streaming at the band's MySpace site since Thursday - avoids going down a dark, techno-industrial alley that many GN'R fans feared with the presence of Nine Inch Nails' Finck.
It doesn't sound hopelessly stuck in the early '90s, either. Jittery beats and Spanish guitar underpin the apocalyptic "If the World," and metal machine-gun riffage fires up "Scraped," with Rose screeching, "Don't try to stop us now / I just won't let you."
Almost every song takes its time ebbing and flowing to near-orchestral crescendos. Six tracks, including the stately "Catcher in the Rye," seemingly a nod to fellow recluse J.D. Salinger, stretch to more than five minutes.
Many seem to be about the album itself. "All I got is precious time," Rose sings wryly in the title cut. In a scratchy voice that shows its age, he allows, "I can't find my way back any more," in "Madagascar," a song that samples both the Paul Newman movie Cool Hand Luke (a Rose favorite) and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have A Dream" speech.
The latter song, along with the Elton John-ish "Street of Dreams" (previously known as "The Blues"), has been performed for years by the new version of GN'R, which seems to include Illusion-era pianist Dizzy Reed, bassist Tommy Stinson, drummer Frank Ferrer, and multi-instrumentalist Chris Pitman, along with guitarists Fortus and Thal.
Maybe it's because Rose wrote these songs - and, for all we know, recorded his vocals - years ago, but Chinese Democracy is not heavy with portent and solemn middle-age regret. Rose may not look the same as he did back in his "November Rain" days, but he still sounds feisty and spirited, blaming the world for his troubles. "I'm sorry for you," he sings on "Sorry." "Not sorry for me."
Since Use Your Illusion, grunge has come and gone, and rappers have filled the roles that used to be played by self-aggrandizing rock stars. GN'R cover bands abound, and even the likes of Carrie Underwood and Sheryl Crow have been known to dip into the band's songbook in search of un-ironic rock-and-roll swagger.
There's some question as to how much appetite there is for Chinese Democracy among a downloading crowd that was barely alive when GN'R last weighed in. Should they choose to give old man Axl a chance, however, they'll find that the long-missing rocker has more left to offer than anyone could have reasonably expected.
#250 Re: Guns N' Roses » What Really Led To Chinese Democracys Impending Release? » 865 weeks ago
russtcb wrote:I'd really be interested in those day one SoundScan numbers.
I'll be shocked if it sold more on Sunday than it will on Black Friday. That is the day they're counting on. That is where the exclusive is supposed to come in handy. Have displays of it right at the front of the store and cram it down everyone's throats. Have the price really low, like $7.99 or something and a lot of people might pick it up out of curiosity at that price.
CD will still be priced at $11.99 on Black Friday. I guess they didn't feel confident in it enough to make it a loss leader. GH and AFD are selling at $7.99 though.