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#261 Guns N' Roses » The lack of guitars/riffs » 863 weeks ago
- skippy
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I was listening to Street of Dreams, TWAT, Prostitute, Madagascar,CITR...hell I was listening to the album, and I think I may have pinpointed what I find sonically irritating about it.
Granted a majority of these are piano based numbers, but I really keyed in on listening to the guitars.
There is no discernible guitar riffs in any of these songs during the verses.
Axl sings, and there is guitar noodling melody that sometimes is a counter melody to what he is singing, and sometimes it is emphasizing the melody that Axl is singing.
This is not a comment on the talent level of the musicians, but rather if this is what they were told to do, in order to deemphasize the guitar aspect of GNR, in order to add extra emphasis to Axl's voice.
It doesn't work for me. Too much fucking around.
A lack of "riffs" or guitar hooks is frankly what I am finding to be lacking.
Also, and I think CITR and Scraped are the most glaring example of this:
Studio and digital tomfoolery on Axl's voice, bouncing from speaker to speaker at random times to try and cover up the overall thiness of the songs. And that ridiculous piano noise in CITR, why?
The only riff heavy song was Better, with Chinese Democracy faring only slightly better with what Bumble added to it.
I'll keep listening, and see where I stand, don't want to completely write it off, but it's getting close.
#262 Re: Guns N' Roses » 8 reasons why Chinese Democracy stiffed » 864 weeks ago
I think the point that makes the most sense is that the casual fan HATES Axl.
#263 Re: Guns N' Roses » Interesting read on Chinese Democracy (from their myspace) » 864 weeks ago
I agree with James that the first part of that article totally summed up my experience, except that the drunken debauchery and stupidity in my life continued well through the Illusions years as well.
I found the second part of the article sad. When I say I don't like Chinese Democracy, it's the music. And the presentation.
#264 Re: Guns N' Roses » what product could each song sell? » 864 weeks ago
These songs could be used to sell psychotropics for schizophrenics.
#265 Guns N' Roses » Changing face of the industry: Touring vs. product » 864 weeks ago
- skippy
- Replies: 5
I was thinking about how things used to be done vs. how they are done now.
Making albums costs money, and the return on the investment is diminshing. If you look at the bands that ruled the 80's/early 90's, other than GnR, you can see that each band such as Van Halen, Aerosmith, Poison, Bon Jovi, etc....they had a formula. The formula was followed for each album, and slowly as each album was released, the returns diminished. During this time, album sales were king.
Chinese Democracy was in it's infancy prior to the P2P file sharing explosion, downloading, and really the internet as we know it. It certainly doesn't follow a formula for success that GnR had previously used.
Irving Azoff is now the most powerful man in the music business, due to his stable of reunited touring bands, who are able to sell out the McOutdoor arenas, without EVER putting a product out. We are seeing more and more artists who said they would never be nostalgia acts touring without a new CD.
And why would they? No one pays to hear them anyway, and the average fans of these bands wants to relive the past, not see Axl or Bon Jovi whining at age 40 about how tough things are, and teenage angst.
Which leads me to Best Buy, Guns and Roses, Irving Azoff, and Axl Rose.
I believe that this CD was released only to pay off the incredibly out of date and current thinking DEBT that Axl ran up in the studio.
It was only released because Azoff was able to screw Best Buy into taking on the entire risk for the fiasco. He also probably through in something about ticket sales that we've yet to see announced because...
Azoff being the fucking evil genius he is, KNEW THE CD WOULD FAIL, at least by the terms that GnR usually releases something, because of the industry changes. Thus, leaving the notoriously fragile Mr. Rose artistically bankrupt and unable to/unwilling to write and perform new music. Now, Axl is angry enough at his fan base for not following his "new direction" to stick it up our asses with $300 reunion show tickets with Izzy, Duff, and Slash. (See Edward Van Halen and David Lee Roth, The Eagles, Etc}
And that's where Azoff's payday is in all of this. It's where his payday always is. It's his end game everytime.
And as far as this one goes, the end justifies the means.
He's a manager responsible for huge reunion shows, not overhyped albums.
Start the countdown. Chinese Democracy ends now.
#266 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bring on new leaks/demos/whatever » 864 weeks ago
The hoarders have nothing of value, because no one wants to hear this stuff.
Supposedly, VH recorded a second CD with Gary Cherone that was rejected by Warner Bros.
I don't see anyone trying to hear that, just like very few would want to hear what else this era has to offer.
So, yeah, the hoarders should let it all out NOW. While it still has minimal value.
#267 Re: Guns N' Roses » Have Herbie and Bucket been silent? » 864 weeks ago
Actually, I wouldn't want Buckethead back either, I was joking.
I think the best thing for everyone associated with this to do is pretend they weren't.
#268 Re: Guns N' Roses » Have Herbie and Bucket been silent? » 864 weeks ago
I'll go ahead and take the last sentence and run with it.
Buckethead is back in GnR.
lol.
#269 Guns N' Roses » Have Herbie and Bucket been silent? » 864 weeks ago
- skippy
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Has anyone heard anything from the Buckethead camp about CD/GnR lately?
I would love to have Buckethead back, when does his current tour end?
Another Kurt Loder exclusive with Herbie would be good.:buckethead:
#270 Re: Guns N' Roses » bumblefoot checks in with gnrevolution » 864 weeks ago
Could we ask him what he's not allowed to talk about?