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#261 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
It could have been that they were always meant to bleed into each other. Those orchestrations were really long and intricate
Everyone forgets the interludes... probably because it was only mentioned once.
Both these songs may have initially had an interlude sandwiched between them.
I wish we could've had the real Chinese Democracy before the leaks and long wait got out of control.
Even if the track list largely stays the same, it could've been different.
#262 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
James wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:Agreed. & a big thanks to who ever it was.
Has TB hassled you about this at all? What else leaked here way back?
Nope. They've never talked to me. I think they got the message back in the day when there was that attempt for the forums to all unite to ban/censor MSL to prevent leaks and I said they could fuck off.
Plus we were known back then as the outlaw forum and I said many times I was not for sale...don't give a fuck about "perks" such as emails and backstage passes.
Im pretty sure chicken dinner leaked here. Some of the Village discs might have or maybe hit the discord first. Not sure.
Some of those 2007 leaks hit our old forum (ROV) first.
Didn't that Walker guy leak a couple songs here years ago and everyone jumped his ass over the YouTube stuff?
the best thing about you and this forum is it was the only true forum for the fans that didn't kiss the bands or TBs butt for speical perks. Its why this is the only GNR forum I go to anymore.
One of the reasons I felt ok taking the hard stance I did is because I knew the Axl from our youth would have respected it. Maybe he did respect it in 2006-8.
He joined HTGTH, mygnr, CD.com and Evo in 2008 for chats.
Guess which one he didn't actually post on?
It pissed people off but it was a nice gesture. He didn't have to sign up at all. Could have ignored us like he did those other forums like newgnr, GNRsource, gnfnr, etc.
When the official GNR site posted the chat transcripts, they linked to the transcripts posted here instead of the others.
#263 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
AgesOfTheIce wrote:wagszilla wrote:The orchestra sting on "The General" is the bridge, not the intro like I suspected. I'm not sure it works for the beginning of the bridge but the ending of the bridge is pretty satisfactory.
If "Monsters" is "Soul Monster", someone try to listen for Robin's SRV solo Axl mentioned.
Edit: It could be the solo 2:00-2:15 but I'm no SRV expert
Axl never said nor implied that Soul Monster was the song with the SRV solo. Forum myth.
Yeah he just said it was on one song
I think we need to re-think some of the things we all assumed. I mean The General strings being split into two songs that may or may not have been one song at some stage is not a curve anyone saw coming at all.
I kinda saw it coming...not to this extent though.
When we heard Hard School and it had a sample of Eye On You pasted in, I knew they had started cannibalizing songs at some point. If they did it once, they probably did it more.
#264 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
James wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:Hopefully it's never public knowledge who leaked them. No sense burning that bridge.
Yeah... while I do understand the curiosity since there's always craziness surrounding leaks, in this case I think we're better off letting the sleeping dog lie and just being grateful we got it right as the fan base was having a collective conniption fit from hell over the vinyl fiasco.
The fact that it leaked here... although not the first song to leak here... hopefully not the last...is intriguing. That guy/girl could have literally posted it anywhere...mygnr, bad Apples, HTGTH, Hoffman, torrents, discords, social media platforms...yet they chose Evo.
Agreed. & a big thanks to who ever it was.
Has TB hassled you about this at all? What else leaked here way back?
Nope. They've never talked to me. I think they got the message back in the day when there was that attempt for the forums to all unite to ban/censor MSL to prevent leaks and I said they could fuck off.
Plus we were known back then as the outlaw forum and I said many times I was not for sale...don't give a fuck about "perks" such as emails and backstage passes.
Im pretty sure chicken dinner leaked here. Some of the Village discs might have or maybe hit the discord first. Not sure.
Some of those 2007 leaks hit our old forum (ROV) first.
Didn't that Walker guy leak a couple songs here years ago and everyone jumped his ass over the YouTube stuff?
#265 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
wagszilla wrote:The orchestra sting on "The General" is the bridge, not the intro like I suspected. I'm not sure it works for the beginning of the bridge but the ending of the bridge is pretty satisfactory.
If "Monsters" is "Soul Monster", someone try to listen for Robin's SRV solo Axl mentioned.
Edit: It could be the solo 2:00-2:15 but I'm no SRV expert
Axl never said nor implied that Soul Monster was the song with the SRV solo. Forum myth.
CD myths/fan fiction almost deserve their own section like CD Whispers.
SRV Soul Monster
Axl Soul Monster vocals in 2007
Me & My Elvis definitely Soul Monster
Shit ton of examples.
It's no one's fault. Stuff just gets repeated so often across these forums and they become "fact" over time. The fact we rely on 15-20 year old content with no updates makes it worse.
#266 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
really dig General but I’m shocked there’s not a big intro and outro considering those orchestrations
If these are the slash versions, then the huge intro could have been cut like it was in hard school.
It's a fan assumption...and felt like a safe one...that The General intro is that whole piece of music heard before concerts.
It more than likely never was.
That ending definitely needed something.
#267 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
Just poking my head in here to say I’m happy this forum and James are still around. I remember the excitement in the lead up to 2008 and being a goddamn kid on here.
Good to see you back! Had it not been for you, I probably would still never have watched The Sopranos. I remember considering it in 2008 and you really lobbied hard for me to move it up my Netflix DVD queue.
I should've sent you a message on mygnr but I don't like asking people to come back here. 
I figure if people want to come back, they'll come back.
At least your user name/password worked. Site has a glitch where it locks you out of your account if you've went years without logging in.
#268 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
Scabbie wrote:Any ideas on how the leak surfaced? Is what we are hearing likely to be the final version?
Hopefully it's never public knowledge who leaked them. No sense burning that bridge.
Yeah... while I do understand the curiosity since there's always craziness surrounding leaks, in this case I think we're better off letting the sleeping dog lie and just being grateful we got it right as the fan base was having a collective conniption fit from hell over the vinyl fiasco.
The fact that it leaked here... although not the first song to leak here... hopefully not the last...is intriguing. That guy/girl could have literally posted it anywhere...mygnr, bad Apples, HTGTH, Hoffman, torrents, discords, social media platforms...yet they chose Evo.
#269 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
I gotta listen to that first and second Portishead album. 99.9% of the time I listen to Portishead, it's the 3rd album.
Best song on that album...
The more I hear The General...the more I hear Portishead.
#270 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 98 weeks ago
Good to see you back Dale.
In trying to figure out the lyrics, these are missing some of the things we've seen in Axl lyrics - The General is....VCV... or just all chorus, or whatever, but there's no switch up (that I can tell) - lots of Axl's choruses never actually repeated 100%, usually there's a switch up. Like I would have expected a "My only regret" to turn into "I'll never regret" the last time it comes around. There's also no climax moment in the General, typified by The Blues or Prostitute, or like in Monsters when he goes into rant section. General is just oddly...symmetrical.
The General feels unfinished... abandoned. That abrupt ending needed something else to wrap it up. Is this why it now has Monsters attached to it?
can''t quite figure out what Evader's lyrics have to do with The General's leak.
Evaders version was his interpretation of what the song would sound like.
On top of figuring out the lyrics, he also included music from other songs.
It's crazy how close he came to it. Wrong lyrics obviously but he was on the right track.
leaker probably cut the song in two to make it easier to upload and download
These were obviously two different songs at some point in the saga...even in the off chance it's not Soul Monster.
We're not going to know until release how this is formatted. Separate... combined...or hidden track?
Otto and others...did you get the songs?
You new members who got the song here...
Send it to other new members when you see them ask. If you don't, you can look elsewhere when the next leak happens.
