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#271 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 200 weeks ago
Death count of American servicemen is now up to 10. The loss of American Marines and Soldiers for a stupid fucking man angers me greatly, so I'm taking a break from posting here until I can calm down.
Take care dude and if you’re in a place which isn’t great make sure to talk to friends and family. If not any of them, make sure to reach out on here or something.
I disagree with you fundamentally on a lot but still care about how this news affects you.
Agreed with you about this being avoidable. The botch of the evac and the basis of it being about being out by the 20th anniversary of 9/11 is all down to one man and he sits in the White House right now.
#272 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 200 weeks ago
An escalation by Western forces whilst the evacuation operation is ongoing could make the situation a lot worse.
Afterwards? Maybe, but you’re talking about a guerilla religious terror group that has branches is many countries. This particular branch are in Afghanistan which is now run by the Taliban. How and why do the West cooperate with them on an offensive operation against these groups? I can’t see it, and not sure it would be wise.
I’m not certain the west should have gone in and stayed in Afghanistan as long as they did. And once we were there I’m not certain we should have left as we are doing now. But now this is in motion just get out and think seriously about any more interventions in the future.
Only need boots on the ground if looking to control and occupy. If just wanting to bomb some shit, there’s drones and planes for that.
#273 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 200 weeks ago
Axl S wrote:Two explosions reported. Reports of US service members caught in the blasts and British citizens who still haven't managed to get into the airport.
What is the take in the UK? Do British citizens or media place any blame on Johnson for not getting UK citizens out in the past 4 months? The fact the US, Germany, the UK and France are all scrambling to evacuate people tells me something is completely amiss here. I know Biden just refused the G7's request to extend the withdrawal, did NATO not think Biden would pull out when he said he would?
People very upset at our Foreign Sec (Dominic Rabb) being AWOL on holiday during the fall of Kabul. He came out yesterday with the excuse that he could not leave his holiday in Crete because “The sea was closed”.
Also generally unimpressed with US readiness but there is a general feeling that at the end of the day the USA has been calling the shots on this the whole time and that the current admin fucked this up. Folk are finally reassessing the U.K./US relationship. The US Defense Secretary even spoke about that yesterday
Ben Wallace on @BBCr4today
— Paul Waugh MP (@paulwaugh) August 24, 2021
says that while UK prefers US as a military ally, in future it will look at an alliance with other countries that is "interoperable and not just dependent".
Can’t be stated enough how this shambles has damaged the perception of America and the trust NATO allies can put in it as a partner. Seems to be sense that NATO allies have been sidelined throughout all this, recent evidence of that includes taking a day and a half to return a phone call from U.K. Prime Minister. Obviously from US side there is the perception that most NATO allies don’t pay their way.
Agreed with you that at the end of the day there are soldiers, citizens of western nations and Afghan citizens who are now dead due to the poor planning of the withdrawal and evacuation. It’s the tragic consequences of the poor planning.
#274 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 200 weeks ago
Two explosions reported. Reports of US service members caught in the blasts and British citizens who still haven't managed to get into the airport.
https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/1430898613429751815?s=20
There were dozens of UK nationals queuing in the area, trying to get repatriated on UK flights. They had been waiting hours to get through the gates despite British passports.
— Gareth Browne (@BrowneGareth) August 26, 2021
Us official says initial reports are that U.S. service members, potentially two or three, are among those injured in the attack.
— Idrees Ali (@idreesali114) August 26, 2021
#275 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 200 weeks ago
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1430890236893073413?s=20
We can confirm an explosion outside Kabul airport. Casualties are unclear at this time. We will provide additional details when we can.
— Maj. Gen. Patrick Ryder (@PressSecRyder) August 26, 2021
#276 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 200 weeks ago
Explosion at the airport now. Gunfire reported too. Casualties unknown.
#277 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Should Do A Rolling Stones cover.... » 200 weeks ago
Axl S wrote:Sympathy for the Devil with Fortus playing the solo instead of Slash. Axl's final victory.
This is why they shouldn't do it.
It goes full circle back to what started the breakup.... although releasing Silkworms sorta did the same thing.
IF they do it, no need for Fortus to be doing any solos.
All he deserves is a token amount.
I was joking James, would be funny though if they did it
#278 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 200 weeks ago
Afghanistan: Avoid Kabul airport due to terror threat, Foreign Office warns
People in Afghanistan should stay away from Kabul airport due to a "high threat of a terrorist attack", the UK Foreign Office has warned.
In new advice, the FCDO told anyone in the area to "move away to a safe location and await further advice".
US President Joe Biden has warned of a group linked to Islamic State that is seeking to target the airport.
It comes amid a race to evacuate thousands from Kabul ahead of the 31 August deadline when troops will leave.
In the update issued on Wednesday evening, the FCDO warned Britons there was "an ongoing and high threat of terrorist attack", and that travelling by road was "extremely dangerous", with people alleged to have been "mistreated" on their way to the airport.
The government has said the UK's aim to complete the operation ahead of 31 August is moving at "significant pace", with more than 11,000 people evacuated with the help of UK troops, according to the Ministry of Defence (MoD).
On Tuesday, President Biden rejected calls from Prime Minister Boris Johnson and other allies to delay the withdrawal date for remaining American soldiers beyond the end of the month.
Kabul airport is currently being defended by 5,800 US and 1,000 British troops.
Meanwhile, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has told MPs that Afghans wanting to flee to Britain may be better off trying to reach one of Afghanistan's borders instead.
The MoD said that since 13 August, when the evacuation mission started, a total of 11,474 people had left Afghanistan. That includes almost 7,000 Afghan nationals and their families.
The total also includes British embassy staff, British nationals, those eligible under the UK government's relocation programme - Afghan Relocation and Assistance Policy (ARAP) - and some evacuees from allied countries.
About 2,000 people eligible for ARAP remain in Afghanistan, but the plan is to evacuate more in the coming days, the BBC was told earlier ahead of the new FCDO advice.
Since the Taliban takeover, more than 82,000 people have been airlifted out of Kabul airport, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said. About 10,000 are waiting to be evacuated by the US.
Mr Blinken said the Taliban have promised to allow foreigners and Afghans to leave beyond the end of August, adding that the US and its allies had "a responsibility to hold [the Taliban] to that commitment".
Concern over suicide attacks
The Foreign Office has previously warned against all travel to Afghanistan, and cited the possibility of terrorist attacks.
But the new advice is very specific. Do not travel to Kabul airport. If you're in the area, move away to a safe location and wait for further advice.
Officials won't elaborate on the nature of the threat, but this change comes just 24 hours after President Biden warned of the danger posed by extremists linked to the group calling itself Islamic State.
Commanders dealing with vast crowds around the airport are increasingly concerned about the possibility of suicide attacks.
What the new advice means for the British evacuation operation is not clear.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58337632
“[ISIS-K’s] savagery has known no bounds.”
— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) August 25, 2021
As the Foreign Office urges British nationals to stay away from Kabul airport, the BBC's @bbclysedoucet reports that many people at the airport, desperate to leave, will not know about the FCO’s terror threat advisory#Newsnight pic.twitter.com/2AggyvJxSC
#279 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 200 weeks ago
Seems like it was a case of either hunker down and commit to however long it takes to get Afghanistan to a sort of Pakistan level of stable (anyone who ever thought it would be like a mini America level of stable was out of their minds) or to cut losses. Seems like Trump and then Biden went for the 2nd option.
Still a clusterfuck in the execution though.
#280 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Should Do A Rolling Stones cover.... » 200 weeks ago
Sympathy for the Devil with Fortus playing the solo instead of Slash. Axl's final victory.