It's hard to know.

We don't know the extent to which Caram's mix sound is determined by Axl's requests.

Davegnfnr2k seems to say we know it's not the influence of Axl because Axl seemingly approved the 2000 mixes which he prefers. I agree with that on face value - but I mean it's Axl, one day he will make Silkworms with snyth, the next it will be a guitar rocker. We know he's influenced by other bands and their sounds in any given period, who knows how his views on mixing and loudness war and all that stuff might evolve between 2000 and 2008.

We also don't know the limitations Caram works with regarding the source material and how it's been modified over time or maybe stuff like adding in another 1000 tracks forces headroom changes in the way other tracks are handled.

Not saying Caram is awesome or something, I just kinda think at the end of the day if Axl wanted it different it would be different.

davegnfnr2k wrote:

misterID wrote:

Dude, Axl controls everything. It was released exactly how he wanted it to sound. He had the Andy Wallace mixes AND CHANGED THEM. We got what Axl wanted. Caram is Axl’s guy, not the label.

Its funny how the old mixes that we have from the lockerroom are also just what Axl wanted, and they sound great.  Even the early leaks also sounded great.  But once we started to get to the Caram mixes its when they went to shit. Funny how that works.  but sure its not Caram that is the problem LMAO

Listen to what you’re saying. The earlier mixes were better (which Caram was involved with the production, at least those from 02-04, like Better). Axl had the Wallace mixes. Axl was not satisfied with them. He continued to add and cut & paste. I’m not even sure Hardskool was done in a proper studio, but over files and not tape. You’re actually saying exactly what I am. Axl had them changed. They were mixed the way Axl wanted them. He had the opportunity to release it a different way and with someone else. He didn’t. He sat in the mixing room, gave orders, listened to exactly what we listened to on CD and said “that’s exactly what I want.” And then it was turned in and released. That’s the last I’ll say about it.

davegnfnr2k wrote:

misterID wrote:

Whatever’s released will be a cut & paste job. I don’t see why Caram gets blamed for this, btw. Under the circumstances, he did a good job recording CD. He wasn’t the one adding guitar after guitar. I’m not sure they’re even recording in a studio for the new stuff.

CD was terribly mixed. Caram is a hack. He is terrible at his job. Out of all the versions of these songs we have, his versions are by far the worst.

Bullshit, everything was approved by Axl. Axl was a part of everything on CD production wise. That’s how he wanted it to sound.

Dadud wrote:

James wrote:

Drop the groomer/pedo accusations. It's uncalled for.

I do remember Miser from years ago but don't know any of the forum drama surrounding him...and unless it's something horrific...we don't need to know.

Take that stuff to PMs.

It's a discord thing, and was confirmed. Ask anyone in the war room discord and they'll tell you the same. He's a cancer and will kill any community he's allowed to be part of.

It’s a discord thing and was actually never confirmed. Bill Brasky saying something repearedly doesn’t make it true. Even on your own forum, Broski openly said he didn’t think so.

There has never been any confirmation because you cannot confirm things that never happened.

As to “kill any community…” I have been in the GNR community for 20 years and the only community I have been accused of destroying was GNFNR.

But even then, I have screenshots where JB (the founder, owner of GNFNR) said he felt that Brasky, Black Frog and co were conspiring as a unit to take over his forum.

He banned Brasky, and you (Dadud) unbanned him because you had admin control, and he then nuked the forum as he felt you undermined his authority.

As far as John Bonham was concerned, his reasons for nuking the forum were Brasky, Black Frog and one other conspirator. These thoughts came from him alone without help from me. He said he was “under attack” by said parties

There is no coup without a scapegoat, and you’ve made one of me. Which is great for your regime over there, you’ve painted me as a terrible person, but to come to this site just to harass me is bs.

The fact is I have been a registered member of this community for a year and a half without incident. GNFNR was a toxic place and I should never have joined it

Note also that JB has said that this campaign of demonization of me was a “coordinated stunt” to “manipulate” me and “mess with me”

JB:“no one believes ‘JB nuked the forum because Miser’”

“I think the ending of the joke is to provoke you into doing something stupid”