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#21 Re: Guns N' Roses » new gnr song debuted » 339 weeks ago

They need to cut a new GNR record, ASAP... His voice sounds great on this...

#22 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 351 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
TheMole wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

  If Canada ever invented anything, I'm sure their companies would be outraged if the US took their patents, handed it over to Bayer and paid them $.50 royalties per pill made.

Bayer is German...


With offices, research and patents in the US. None of that negates my argument though. But you knew that.

Bayer spends three times more on R&D in socialist Europe than it does in all of North America, it has 5 times more employees in the EU than in the US and Canada combined. Bayer Canada employs almost 1000 people in R&D. I'm unsure what your argument actually is, to be honest, beyond "rah-rah, 'muricah". Pharmaceuticals are a global business, the bulk of J&J's research (an example of an actual American company) is done overseas because they go where the brains are, not where the corporate tax rate is lowest.

Pharmaceutical companies choose to do business in Canada because it makes business sense for them to do so. No one is holding a gun to Ian C. Reed's head, Pfizer simply thinks Canada is a market worth being active in and therefore plays by Canadian rules.

What is your argument?

#23 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 351 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

  If Canada ever invented anything, I'm sure their companies would be outraged if the US took their patents, handed it over to Bayer and paid them $.50 royalties per pill made.

Bayer is German...

#24 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

It's not bullshit. One is over tax fraud. The other was a coward who wanted out of the army because he hated his fellow "redneck" troops and was planning on a way to get kicked out of the military and CHOSE treason, which he should have gotten the death penalty for. But he put on a dress and is suddenly a hero.

Do you really not see that you're comparing apples to oranges? Let me reiterate: I'm not saying I support Manning, I'm saying that it's perfectly valid to support the conversion of Manning's sentence and oppose Trump pardoning Manafort. Let me help you out with some arguments that people might come up with:
1. We should hold the president's inner circle to a higher standard than some random gender fluid soldier.
2. Manning felt she was doing the right thing, if you buy into her whistleblower argument it could also make sense to support the commutation of her sentence. Manafort on the other hand was simply trying to enrich himself and his cohorts, there is no similar "he felt he was doing the right thing" argument to make.
3. Manning's sentence for the crimes that she was actually convicted for (which does not include "aiding the enemy", the judge never found her guilty of that) is considered harsh by some compared to other whistleblower convictions. Commuting the sentence to something more in line with what some would consider fair can therefore be a valid argument.
4. Manning spent 7 years in prison after her sentence was commuted, she could've gotten out after 12 years on good behavior otherwise. One could argue that this is not that big of a difference.
etc...

misterID wrote:

It's not intellectually dishonest as it's like giving someone with drug possession a pardon and pardoning a terrorist who not only celebrated the destruction they created but has shown no remorse for it. You can be fine with giving one a pardon and not the other, but context matters, and is revealing. Don't be hysterical over pardons and sentence commuting now when you were fine with it before.

It's a false equivalency, period. Yes, context matters, that's why your original comment was complete bullshit: you ignored any and all context and details of the cases in question.

I'm curious though, what arguments do you see in favor of pardoning Manafort? Can you come up with something better than "but what about Manning?"

#25 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Manafort didn’t put any lives in danger.

Chelsea did.

You seem to support different rules for different folks.

Many, many people in jail didn't put any lives in danger, should they all get pardoned? Why would Manafort deserve a pardon, while all those other white collar criminals don't? You seem to support different rules for different folks...

You don't know my opinion on Manning, so don't put words in my mouth. I'm just pointing out that ID's argument is bullshit, one should absolutely be able to support pardoning one criminal and object to pardoning another.

It's just another form of the bullshit "but what about 'x'" type argument that litters most political discourse these days... "But what about the emails", "but what about Manning", "but what about Clinton", ...

It detracts from the real discussion to be had and is intellectually dishonest.

#26 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 356 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
misterID wrote:

I think it's fair to say that if you supported or were silent with Daniel Manning's commuted sentence, an actual traitor, who it is very likely lead to deaths of Americans and allies, you pretty much need to sit any pardon debates out.

Great point.

How the hell is that a great point? It's perfectly acceptable to support one pardon while condemning another. Can I not dislike one type of ice cream, but really, really like another? As far as arguments go, it's about as dumb and meaningless as they get...

#27 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 365 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

The problem really is the mom's with small kids.  They are the drain.  The guys are going to bust ass.  But the mom with 3 toddlers is going to cost us money.  So unless she is a true asylum seeker, she needs to be with a husband I think. We can't only accept lawyers and doctors, and engineers.  Who the fuck are going to cut the previously mentioned grass?

I'm sure it wasn't meant that way, but this is truly and utterly sexist. Who's to say those "mom's" won't "bust ass" just as much as the guys? Letting mothers in only if they are accompanied by a husband is... wtf man? Have you been watching The Handmaid's Tale and rooting for the Commander or something?

Women contribute to society just as much as men, even if they have kids. Not sure how you'd argue otherwise...

#28 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 366 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Considering there are 9 states where you can have a late term abortion I don’t see your point. I think a heart beat comes at 6 weeks. A child can survive out of womb at 20 weeks.

No need to keep this discussion going (I'm really burned out on all of this anyway), but I lean left on social issues, consider myself pro abortion (and proud of it) but am firmly against late term abortion. The US should just follow Europe's lead on this and stop fighting against first trimester abortions, but impose strict limitations on late term abortions. It's a very good example of how extreme politics has become in the US: conservatives scream bloody murder as soon as a sperm cell and egg have been within 3 feet from one another, and the liberals will defend abortions right up until the umbilical cord is cut... it's ridiculous and devoid of any sense of reality...

#29 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 366 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

I love how IG report comes out with all the damning shit coming out and they focus 100% on the kids. These are the same fucks that are pro abortion. Lol. I guess they love kids when it fits their agenda.

Zygotes, blastocysts and embryos are not fetuses or babies, let alone children yet. I love kids, but I hate blastocysts... they can go fuck themselves...

Seriously though. There's a real scientific distinction between embryos and fetuses/babies, and therefore a real scientific argument that supports treating them differently (wether you believe it or not). There's absolutely no scientific reason to treat foreigners any different from nationals though...

#30 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 366 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

In this case it's just more obvious than usual.

Yeah... Trump isn't really known for his subtleness...

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