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#291 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 267 weeks ago
Interesting article. I know some are going to take the headline and run with it, but I'll paste an important thing to note.
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13 USS Roosevelt Sailors Test Positive For COVID-19, Again
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru … pF-55fvzsQ
"Based on other infections where you get a deep lung infection, you are usually protected against the second infection. If you just have a mild COVID-19 infection that involves your upper airway, maybe it will behave like a common cold coronavirus and maybe you can be reinfected again," Perlman said. "We just really don't know. It's even hard to speculate."
#292 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN’R updates - various tidbits » 267 weeks ago
Fernando hooked a group of about 10 of us up with pit spots in Chicago a couple years ago. He's not all bad.
#293 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 267 weeks ago
There's nothing to suggest that this change in spread rate would've happened on its own, so to me this is a clear indication that the significant reduction in new cases is due to the measures the state government took.
Right. We agree 100% on this part. That's exactly what I said. Where we disagree is everything that happens from there. You think new cases automatically equal exponential death. I don't and the statistics don't either. The virus spreading (from an immunology point of view) is actually good...this is how we have gotten through all the viruses that came before we decided to go into panic mode. The thing you're ignoring is that the vast majority of people that would have gotten the infection had we done nothing other than lock down our nursing facilities would have been absolutely fine. Many wouldn't even know they ever had it. Maybe some in the nursing homes could have survived had we locked them down and focused our energies on that piece...you know where most of the actual deaths are happening. Turns out hospitals weren't overrun either (certainly thanks in part to the shutdown)...in fact most outside of major metropolitan areas weren't even close and likely could have maintained status quo care just fine. How many times do I have to say this? Protect the at-risk. We've done a terrible job at that.
At the same time, the people that were infected and stayed healthy or got sick and recovered would still have their jobs. They wouldn't be worried how they were going to pay their bills. They wouldn't be worried about losing their house. They wouldn't be putting their immune system at further risk by isolating themselves away from the common bugs that keep their immune systems functioning at a high level. They wouldn't be skipping doctor visits out of fear and subsequently dying from things that could have been treated. Domestic violence wouldn't have gone up. Children would still be getting fed at school instead of parents trying to figure out how to feed their family meals they don't have budgeted. I could go on and on, but I won't. It has been made clear people are more worried about people that in many cases would have died anyway than they are those that have to live after the damage has been done. I know...that sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Sometimes (often) the truth isn't kind.
#294 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 267 weeks ago
Exactly this. Look at Spain and other countries. They were having to pick who got a ventilator for fuck sake. If the rest of the world did nothing we would have many more Spains. Maybe the US might have coped with their health system I don't know, but I do know a lot of other countries wouldn't have coped.
Seriously the mental gymnastics here by some to deny such an obvious and logical response has indeed saved lives. I wouldn't dicuss toothpaste with some on here, fools.
LOL. The picking and choosing of facts by some is amazing as well. Turns out ventilators appear to be more or less a death sentence. So I guess those that didn't get one lucked out.
You're so out of touch with reality on this it's not funny. The numbers tell you everything you need to know about who is at risk. EVERYTHING you need to know. They don't lie, though many people that believe like you do are working hard to manipulate them to keep the irrational fear going. Slowly but surely people are seeing the light though and posts like yours are slowly dying out at a much faster rate than people infected with Covid-19.
As the Rolling Stones said "Time is on my side"
#295 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 267 weeks ago
Well, that's the crux of the discussion isn't it? Would the impact of the pandemic have been worse if we didn't take the measures we're taking? I think so, based on the evolution of that R0 metric I mentioned in the other post. You seem to believe that we haven't really saved anyone, and I'm curious to know why you think that...
The quick answer is the "flattening the curve" concept. The theory behind that was never to stop the virus, it was just to delay the timing. So following that logic, we end up in the same place but the timing of when we get there is different. You can argue semantics if you want, but that's as accurate and simple of a description of what flattening the curve does as you can get. It lowers the peak but makes it last longer.
#296 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 267 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Flagg and buzz would have you believe they know everything...
But in reality, they set up a perfect situation in this thread where they can say one of two things: so many people died the quarantine wasnt worth it or not enough people died we should open up immediately!
They don’t care about the health or the safety of anyone. They care about themselves. Me me me me me! No empathy no concern for anyone ever. Just getting up on their soapbox over and over and over again telling everyone how smart they are.
On the contrary fuckhead, I've said we don't know more than anyone here. But keep running with your false narrative...its all you have at this point.
Just a quick follow up - I have a lot of empathy for those being impacted by Covid...I just choose not to limit that to those that get sick from the virus. People that never got symptoms are being hit extremely hard by this, yet nobody really seems to care about them at all. I'd be careful about playing the empathy card when you're ignoring those that are suffering deep hardships.
Whoever it was that said the economy is going to recover just fine and cited some past pandemic experience seems to ignore we've haven't handled any recent (and by recent I mean not in 100 years) in any way similar to how we've handled this one. We typically ignore them. Small businesses will close and never open again. People will lose their homes and be setback so far that they may never recover. People have already killed themselves as a direct result of the virus. We've paid a huge price to (at this point) not really save anyone.
#297 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 267 weeks ago
Flagg and buzz would have you believe they know everything...
But in reality, they set up a perfect situation in this thread where they can say one of two things: so many people died the quarantine wasnt worth it or not enough people died we should open up immediately!
They don’t care about the health or the safety of anyone. They care about themselves. Me me me me me! No empathy no concern for anyone ever. Just getting up on their soapbox over and over and over again telling everyone how smart they are.
On the contrary fuckhead, I've said we don't know more than anyone here. But keep running with your false narrative...its all you have at this point.
#298 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 267 weeks ago
Can we also look at moving this to more civil ground please. Some feel the current lockdown is an overreaction, fine. Others disagree, also fine. Given the scientific community and world experts in this field haven't reached a general consensus either, a position of 'I'm right and you're wrong' on a GNR fan forum from either side of the argument seems foolish to me.
Well, you have one side saying to consider that we might be doing more damage by doing what we've done and we've got the other side insisting that's not even a possibility. I think I've been on record more than anyone saying that we don't know a lot about this. Said it from the beginning; I continue to say it. That's the whole basis for my we overreacted stance. We've never reacted this way to any of the many pandemics that have happened in and around my lifetime. Ever. We've had pandemics where (proportionally) more people died and we didn't react this way.
Why did we pick this as the time we were going to lose our shit? I've yet to hear an even close to rational argument for it.
Have you noticed this headline: "It could" 'We think" "Maybe" "As many as" "numbers could reach" - the experts don't know, outside of the snippets that play on the news they admit they don't know, when pressed they admit they don't know, yet this is what is fed to people nightly and the whole truth never makes it into the news. Of course people are scared, and so we make decisions out of fear instead of rational thinking. We've given number after number indicating exactly where the threat is and every time it's dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative. NOBODY has given numbers to contradict that almost all of the deaths are in the elderly and unhealthy crowds. NOBODY has given numbers that contradict that the majority of deaths have been in nursing homes and long-term care facilities. Nobody is talking about the vast numbers in urban areas while demanding the whole country stay in lockdown. There's no logic to any of it; it's all emotional and not based at all in fact. Even with the numbers that they've manipulated, it STILL doesn't justify the response.
#299 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 267 weeks ago
It's somewhat fascinating that the people that claim to care about people so much aren't worried about people losing their jobs, houses, sanity, businesses, lives (I know you care about the virus deaths, but you don't seem worried about the other deaths including suicide that have happened as a direct result of poor decisions being made), etc. It's like you aren't willing to admit that there are consequences to the decisions that have been made that might hurt more people than actually die from the virus.
It's like the heart only bleeds when it's convenient.
#300 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 267 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:Nice to hear from the bigot from Alabama.
Says the only one that's ever posted racial slurs in here. More irony.
You rock bro!
Speaking of bigots
You don't get to play that card Mr Racial Slur. You are the only person in the history of this site to post racial slurs. Congratulations chump.