mitchejw wrote:

Randall Flagg wrote:

CNN had an “analysis” earlier that was titled “When did you last think of Afghanistan?”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/opinions … index.html

This organization along with many others earned their audience preaching fear and telling them that Trump would bring WW3. He ended ISIS and withdrew the bulk of American forces, leaving small contingents as we have in Iraq since 2011. He got 3 or 4 Arab nations to recognize Israel. He held talks with Kim and got the guy to quit shooting rockets over Japan. No one is talking about North Korean nukes. He negotiated a deal to stop combat operations with the Taliban, and set a time table for a full withdrawal.

The American media can’t hide what a collosal fuck up this is, but they’re bending over themselves to make excuses on how they’re not looking like fools for soft balling and singing praise of this administration. Even going so far as to tell us Afghanistan and this colossal fuck up don’t really matter, cause it’s just Afghanistan. It was already fucked, so botching a withdrawal and putting 10k Americans at the direct mercy of the Taliban, who we just learned Biden is engaged in daily negotiations with, isn’t worth much consideration, culpability, and accountability.

After the scrutiny and tone directed at the former President for his international relations, you have to be a real sycophant to not find issue with the current President and the direct danger he’s directly responsible for putting 10k+ of his citizens in.

To say this isn’t important or worth caring about…. Jesus Christ.

So what are you saying? We shouldn't have left? This should go on in perpetuity?

How long did people know we were leaving and did nothing?

I'm tired of the military constantly justifying itself by never solving any problems. It seems plenty of money was made by keeping all of those middle east/Asia conflicts going forever.

The biggest embarrassment is how much money we spent on all of this, how much time was spent, and how little we accomplished. I'm tired of congress approving more funding for the military but somehow it's never required that anything is actually accomplished. No, I'm not talking about always advancing our weaponry and our techniques. I'm talking about standing armies and special forces spending two decades somewhere no really accomplishing anything.

That's the biggest embarrassment to me. Since WWII, this country has used its military in ways it shouldn't be doing.

This talking point about staying in Afghanistan is such BS. No one is saying this, this is not the topic, this is Democratic spin.

Biden could have pulled out successfully. This didn't have to happen. The options were not 1) Exit competently. 2) Stay forever.

So please, I really don't want to hear this gaslighting, false choice, Democratic propaganda. Please, dude. This isn't what we're talking about. I don't know how to explain it any better than that. It's the actual exit, nothing else.

Fair point…but until the discussion turns more analytical and less about blaming one person for decades of foreign policy failures then I’ll just wait out the histrionics.

I’ll continue to say so long as Trump is the shadow puppet I’ll not consider the GOP in any capacity to be a relevant party.

Syria was destroyed. Now Afghanistan is a mess…

I’d really like to see these conflicts come to an end. Lotsa people made profits off of this conflict continuing.

Can someone succinctly describe to me what the goal was in 2021?