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#301 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Name Contract (w/ MSL/snooze72 scans) » 603 weeks ago
Im guessing that someone used a type writer or whatever (not sure what technology was being used back then lol) to add that bit in. Probably why in Snoozes version the font even rises upwards (see the word "Group") on the far right hand side.
MSL's version certainly visually doesn't look like it has any font change compared to Snooze's but as you say it still looks like it's been squashed in, which suggests to me it was an afterthought. The million dollar question was when, was it one hour, one day, one year, we don't know?
I gotta say none of it looks particularly professional to me - lol.
I'm curious to have a better look at your one if you want to pm it thru to me.
#302 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Name Contract (w/ MSL/snooze72 scans) » 603 weeks ago
Disagree. The font issue, etc. is immaterial IMO with regard to date. There is no date associated with those fonts. It's possible that section was added after an initial draft of the document was typed. But, there is an issue with claiming that as proof they were added at a time/date that would verify Duff/Slash's version of events...
Even if those sections were added to the document after the first draft had been typed, there is nothing to indicate they were added and subsequently initialed while the band was on tour, not in 10/1992.
In other words, there is nothing to verify when that section was added, IF it was added at a later time.
Ali
It's not immaterial, it strongly suggests it was added later. If it was put in at the time the original document was prepared why was it not formatted exactly the same? Why is the right hand margin bigger. Why is it squished in, why does it go over the footnote in one copy and the page number in another. I would suggest so they could fit all the text in because it wasn't in there when the original document was done.
Go back and read my posts I haven't claimed that as proof that it was added in 1993, I simply suggested it might have been, but I have no idea when. My guess is Slash and Duff and Goldstein would say 1993.
#303 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Name Contract (w/ MSL/snooze72 scans) » 603 weeks ago
That 15/10/92 is on every page of the document. Have a look at the signature page, that footnote is there too. It confirms that the document was likely created on that date and every page had that date in the footnote.
Again this would help explain why in MSL's version those asterixed sections seems to go over the top making that date barely legible. Again because they were likely added after the original document had been prepared.
#304 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Name Contract (w/ MSL/snooze72 scans) » 603 weeks ago
Aussie wrote:You have missed the point. Yes the original document seems to have been signed between tours in 1992.
However, it appears that the asterixed sections were added at a later date. That's why the formatting is different, and the margins are different, even a variation in wording. When was the later date we obviously don't know for sure. Could have been 1993?
No, I don't think so. The signatures are dated exactly the same. There is no indication that the asterixed sections were added at a later date. Even in Snooze's copy you can see 10/15/92 in the asterixed section addressing Axl's right to own the band name upon voluntary departure or expulsion from the partnership.
So, respectfully, I don't see anything whatsoever to indicate that section was added at a later date.
Ali
Even the page number "5" is squashed in between those two * sections. If that section was truly there in the original document surely they would have just shunted that stuff to the next page, not tried to squeeze it in which it obviously has been. I think it's clearly been inserted after the original document was first completed.
When I obviously couldn't say with certainty.
So how often do documents have crucial information written below the page number at the bottom? Or in fact in the case of Snooze's version even have the text slightly going over the top of the page number. How is that even possible if not for the stuff being added later?
#305 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Name Contract (w/ MSL/snooze72 scans) » 603 weeks ago
You have missed the point. Yes the original document seems to have been signed between tours in 1992.
However, it appears that the asterixed sections were added at a later date. That's why the formatting is different, and the margins are different, even a variation in wording. When was the later date we obviously don't know for sure. Could have been 1993?
#306 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Name Contract (w/ MSL/snooze72 scans) » 603 weeks ago
Ok thinking about this some more and looking at those 2 docs. The original document was prepared on 15th October 1992. Each document has that date in the footnote of each page.
However, those asterixed sections appear to have been added at a later date. If you look at Snooze's copy the font looks different and it clearly seems to have a wider margin on the right hand side. It appears to me that they were typed onto the document at a subsequent time, then the parties were asked to initial the addition.
So why would there by multiple copies, my understanding is that this is not altogether uncommon. Sometimes not everyone is in the same location or documents need to be signed with a sense of urgency. Perhaps this was the case when the original document was prepared in 1992. There might have been 2 or 3 copies prepared??
Fast forward to 1993 and backstage in Barcelona. The lawyers have added those two asterixed sections into the 1992 dated document. Axl himself in his chats told us that the lawyers were with them in Europe working on the Adler case.
These additions have been manually typed into each document. If you carefully look at the wording there are 2 slight differences in the "**" section. The word "the" is missing in MSL's version in the sentence "Duff shall be THE Terminated Partner" . This suggests to me that it was manually typed in to each and human error crept in.
So possibly this section about the name was added to the original document backstage in Barcelona in 1993 and the guys were told to initial it by John Reese or Axl wouldn't go onstage. Did Axl tell Reese to give that directive, did Reese explicitly state it to get them to sign or just intimate it. Or did he not even need to do that, given the previous history Slash and Duff knew what was likely to happen if they didn't sign it.
Who knows, but well done MSL in your quest to demonise Slash and Duff you appear to have started a process which ultimately seems to lend support to them and Goldstein's version rather than expose them as liars. Does this mean Axl lied - not necessarily, but he wasn't there when the documents were given to Slash and Duff so who knows what they were told. They all could be telling the truth - just their side of what happened.
#307 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Name Contract (w/ MSL/snooze72 scans) » 603 weeks ago
Very interesting, they are definitely different. The indentation/formatting on the section down the bottom is different. So is the area where Axl has initialed it. Different signatures too.
What does it all mean? Who knows, other than it appears that there was a lot happening around that time and possibly multiple copies/versions of the documents. Could there be more documents versions? I don't know but I do know we probably don't have all the information to point the finger definitively anywhere.
#308 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron Interview: Hardline sent to Team Brazil » 603 weeks ago
Perhaps he is pushing them to fire him. Maybe it releases him from a contract if they do that, if they don't he can't leave without breaching it?
I also read that Ron's father passed away today. Very sad, hope he and his family are doing ok!
#309 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Name Contract (w/ MSL/snooze72 scans) » 603 weeks ago
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Subject: Re:
From: bfdink
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:37:40 -0700
To: tru-b-dorI was at home waiting for Jakes birth, but as I understand it he had Laurie Soriano draft an agreement in Barcelona relinquishing their rights in the name, before he would take the stage. The shitty thing is Slash and Duff were so fucked up that they think I gave them the ultimatum and that's why they don't speak to me today. It was Reese, I was halfway round the globe!!
Doug Goldstein
CEO When Pigs FlyOn Dec 2, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Alan Niven wrote:
Hey,
since I keep getting asked, what is the truth about Red forcing the name from Slash and Duff?
#310 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron Interview: Hardline sent to Team Brazil » 603 weeks ago
I see Ashba weighed into the discussion judging by this tweet of his:
"If you bite the hand that feeds you.....you will go hungry"