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#301 Re: Guns N' Roses » Paul Tobias/Mank Rage » 907 weeks ago
Bright Eyes 2005 wrote:the lead singer may have issues singing and writing melodies
That's actually Dave Lank, the co-writer of Don't Damn Me from Axl's and Izzy's Lafayette posse.
Bright Eyes 2005 wrote:a few of these riffs on various songs could serve as a foundation for a nice rock song with someone able to write melodies over them.
It's interesting you should say that, because that was Axl's original intention when he brought Paul onboard. Basically, he wanted someone who could effectively replace Izzy, and since Paul was from the same Lafayette stock as Izzy and Axl, he was, theoretically, the best man out there. His background and musical history might've resembled Izzy well enough for Axl to think he would've had the chops to come aboard and maintain the specific mix that they'd so far used to write songs.
Bright Eyes 2005 wrote:I am wondering, as many have insisted (Billy Howerdel, Josh Freese, Sean Beaven, Chis Vrenna, A&R folks, etc,) that the 1998/99 album had major potential if completed.
They were completing songs by then.
Various bits and pieces that would later be compiled in Pro Tools from ground up like the DJ Shadow record were mainly recorded in 95-97, with Paul, Robin and Dizzy. They had most of the basic song structures of what we've been hearing completed with Sean Beavan in 98/99.
00/01 saw the music re-recorded and produced in a more classic rock fashion with Roy Thomas Ba
ker. At that point, they also wrote new songs with Bucket, Brain and Pitman. Therefore, the 98/99 album would've lacked the Bucket solos, the heavier presence of synths and would've sounded grittier than anything heard since. Beavan has a tendency to pull all stops with his rockers, while the ballads may sound thread-bare.
My guess is, it would've been a very brutal, honest album, with Axl screaming his hatred and anxiety towards the music industry, former band members and lost loves. It's hard to say how it would've managed when set against NIN's The Fragile which came out just at the same time. Axl and the band would've had the songwriting props to take on the critics, but the sound would've dated quite rapidly and there would've been no-one to properly replace Slash.
It would've been a controversial album, no question. It's nature could've been such that people would've either loved or hated it. It would've been a definite step down in terms of mass appeal and Axl would've had to win a lot of crowds over by providing a solid live band, which I think the lineup could've well been. Based on what I've heard and read, the album at the time certainly reflected Axl's state of mind at the time; the red-headed stepchild of the industry reaching puberty; feeling stranded yet ready to take on an uphill battle, no matter the cost.
Neemo wrote:from 1999 onwards
1993, in fact.
Well Billy Howerdel (A Perfect Circle, Ashes Divide) was working during the 96-98 phase. I was surprised to read recently one of Geffen/Universal's A&R people (cannot remember his name--Geffen A&R working on the project 96-98) insinuate that Bill Howerdel was actually playing on the songs (not a bad thing obviously), and not just engineering. I would have love to see Stinson, Reed, Tobias, Finck, Howerdel, Freese, and Pitman live! In fact, the A&R guy said the material was great, and would have been a very relevant album if it had been released.
#302 Guns N' Roses » Paul Tobias/Mank Rage » 907 weeks ago
- Bright Eyes 2005
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Here's a link to Mank Rage's myspace page. While the lead singer may have issues singing and writing melodies, P Huge lays down some decent work--which may surprise some, as many fan-sites insisted he could not play. For instance, the guitar riff on Retro, actually has Chilli Peppers/janes addiction feel. Really, a few of these riffs on various songs could serve as a foundation for a nice rock song with someone able to write melodies over them. I am wondering, as many have insisted (Billy Howerdel, Josh Freese, Sean Beaven, Chis Vrenna, A&R folks, etc,) that the 1998/99 album had major potential if completed. I think Ezrin told them they had 3 songs ca. 98/99, and wanted them to work on a few new ones--if they could have got 3 or four more good songs together by 2000, they would have had a hit record!
#303 Guns N' Roses » Yahoo Music News of the Week » 907 weeks ago
- Bright Eyes 2005
- Replies: 4
A few GNR mentions--nothing new, but the saturation of news, stories, and what not has increased significantly during the past month and one-half. Axl, while not delivering an album in 15 years, has not lost his ability, albeit sometimes indirectly, to get GN'R in the news/conversation. I am quite certain, during 1985 to 1987 the band had to learn how to market themselves and gain attention--Axl excelled at this (for example the Glam Sucks picture/story 1987, multiple quotable interviews ca. 87/88, original Appetite cover). Anyhow, the buzz continues to grow. Funny, we all thought 2000, 2002, and 2006 were perfect times to release this, and I agree that the 2000 argument carries much credence, but Fall 2008 is lining up perfectly (some may argue that this is because: a-- it really is coming out and b--management and activities are driving the increased chatter).
#304 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl likes his sex parties » 907 weeks ago
Here is the original story from NYPost:
#305 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR Evolution mentioned in Idolator article!! » 907 weeks ago
Idolator wondering if GNR will be a surprise guest at VMA's?
#306 Re: Guns N' Roses » T minus --:-- and counting.... » 907 weeks ago
Looks great!
#307 Re: Guns N' Roses » Last FM launches Rock Band 2 site--will play Shackler's Revenge » 907 weeks ago
The general public does not post at Idolator or LastFM or here or YouTube. The general public will decide how this version of GNR fares, and they don't get their say until something official hits the streets. RB doesn't necessarily reflect the general public either, but it's a good start.
I agree to an extent, although in the developed world, the levels of people online now are over 50%. Moreover, those buying music are more likely to be visiting Idolator, Last FM, or Youtube. Also, Appetite was an album driven to the top by 12-18 year olds when it came out--it spoke to that age group. Guess what, 12-18 year olds are gobbling up Rock Band and Guitar Hero, as well as millions of downloads of rock bands they are getting into, as their hormones rise as fast as their chemical intake and experimentation. Them getting into the new-Guns is critical to it's success.
#308 Re: Guns N' Roses » Can anyone identify the source of this pic? (maybe CD cover related?) » 907 weeks ago
The point is up to you. My visits, and possible others to come, aren't intended to report. Instead, they are intended to engage.
This smells like Mr. Roboto to me, although this could be fun.
#309 Re: Guns N' Roses » Can anyone identify the source of this pic? (maybe CD cover related?) » 907 weeks ago
Atlanta is more "The Birds" territory.
#310 Re: Guns N' Roses » Can anyone identify the source of this pic? (maybe CD cover related?) » 907 weeks ago
I am an observer. My desire for connection is limited, and my efforts are singular in scope.
History is a relative concept, and those who make it often embrace a course of action more fantastic in scope. It is the reaction of he who is left behind after history is made that paints a future rather than condemning oneself to the past.
"This prophecy Merlin shall make."'”Shakespeare
What are your efforts, similar to the charlatans in the fields who propelled the artists/resurgens during the renaissance?

