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#3211 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR go Gold » 859 weeks ago
faldor wrote:D-Machine wrote:I respect U2 and I consider them one of the greatest bands ever but I personally have never been able to get into them.
Yeah me too. I actually used to hate U2 because my older sister liked them. She actually liked GNR too and I hated them as well. It wasn't cool to like what your older sister liked. Needless to say I quickly changed my mind on GNR. I no longer hate U2, but I don't own any of their albums, have never bought or illegally downloaded any of their songs. I like some of their songs, if they come on the radio I may think twice about changing the channel, but I don't really get them either. I went to see a U2 cover band a few years back, it really wasn't my choice, I just went along for the ride. The guy dressed as Bono and did the whole rap, it was entertaining. But yeah, never really got into them and I doubt I'll start now.
Hmmm! Weird. And I say that with respect. While I'm not a U2 nutswinger or fanboy, I still have to recognize their importance. The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby are two of the greatest rock records of all time. After that I found myself liking their albums a lot less. Not that they were bad records, but none of those albums are on my regular rotation. But when a song from Joshua Tree or Achtung plays, man it's hard to not be impressed. And by the way I do agree that if Axl treated his fans just half has good as U2 does then we'd be treated like gold.
Thats what we were saying that we see their importance and I can fully understand why they are so highly thought of, me personally, I just have never gotten into them. I am not a huge fan of Bono's voice and there are a few songs i like. Walk On is one of my favorite songs ever and I liked Beautiful Day and Vertigo.of course the other famous hits etc.
I have never owned a U2 album though and "Walk On" and that song "stuck in a moment" I think are the only two I've ever bought.
#3212 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl = Rock God #11 » 859 weeks ago
I believe also Jon gets a lot of flack due to the way he looks. People don't want to take him seriously.
Also, how were Bon Jovi "made" in a producer's office when Jon and Richie have wrote or co wrote every single song?
I don't think music has to always be "deep" they are what they are and it is fine by me. I don't always want to hear music that depresses me or is about how bad someone's life sucks etc.
sometimes I love just great upbeat fucking rock anthems and bon jovi are hard to beat when it comes to those.
I just think its funny that the people who shit on Jon's lyrics probably are the same ones that think TIL's lyrics are Dylan like.
on TWAT, Axl rhymes all with all like 200 times.
You Give Love and Bad Medicine are fun cheesy songs but who cares, they aren't meant to change the world.
If u search deep enough in BJ catalog u will find a lot deeper stuff
have u ever listened to "Dry County, jon's solo Blaze of Glory CD is full of great deep lyrics, Miracle, Santa Fe, Bang A Drum, Dyin Ain't Much Of A Livin, Never Say Die, Justice In The Barrel u got other songs off Keep The Faith like I Believe, Bed of Roses is pretty fucking deep, Someday I'll Be Saturday Night, Lie To me, These Days, My Guitar Lies Bleeding In My arms, Its Hard Letting You Go, off These Days........... Undivided, Joey, Right Side of Wrong, Open All Night off Bounce,
I Wanna Be Loved, Welcome to Wherever you Are, Who Says You Can't Go Home, Last Man Standing off Have A Nice Day
The Country record everybody hates has several really really awesome "Deep" Songs called Any Other Day and "Seat Next To You" about Richie's dad dying of cancer and how when u get to heaven, save a seat for me. If u have lost a loved one recently, I guarantee tears.
Bon Jovi have B Side unreleased songs better than most people's greatest hits. There is a song called "The Radio Saved My Life Tonight" That I like as much as anything on CD and it never made a BJ album.
#3213 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 859 weeks ago
The hardest thing to do is to try and step back from being a fan to being an outside listener
when I listen, I try to hear a song and think "WOW, my brother, my best friend, my whoever would love that.
on CD............. the only songs I hear that fit that mold honestly are Better *which I hate* but I can be objective and hear the single quality in it, and "Sorry"
the rest... no
This would've been an amazing album in the mid 70's late 70's early 80's back before music became single driven. Cause the album from start to finish is a great trip there just really isn't a single piece that really catches lightning in a bottle and appeals to the masses.
#3214 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR go Gold » 859 weeks ago
I respect U2 and I consider them one of the greatest bands ever but I personally have never been able to get into them.
#3215 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl = Rock God #11 » 859 weeks ago
D-Machine wrote:PaSnow wrote:Bon Jovi is huge. U2/Metallica huge.. nobody should try to deny that. And they do write some pretty good songs, like them or hate them. Better than bands like Nickelback. Anyway, I do have to agree with Russtcb, Grunge did affect BJ. The album with Bed of Roses (can't recall the name) was a moderate hit. But nowhere near the smash that he was in the 80's. BJ was as big as GnR, just his fanbase was about all girls. He was basically a Rock Miley Cyrus, N Sync. Don't get me wrong, they were a legit band, but I'm speaking in terms of POPULARITY he was as big as they were. Slippery When Wet was as common as Hannah Montana, I recall girls in high school wearing those t-shirts endlessly. However, when the 92 album came out, Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder et al owned the music world. The album was successful, I'd compare it to the latest Weezer album in terms of popularity & media impression. I don't know how good the album was, haven't heard it really, but anyway chicks had by then clinged to U2's Achtung Baby, Pearl Jam, & REM. Bon Jovi was pushed aside a little bit. Ask DTJ, she'd probably tell you, he was nowhere near as popular as he was. Having said that, he went away thru the 90's. Did a wierd unheard of indie movie that NOBODY heard of, then in 2000 or whatever had a COMEBACK with These Days & a pretty good song in It's my Life. He didn't fall off the face of the earth like Poison & Warrant, but he wasn't immensly succesful either, I'd say he treaded water thru grunge.
Kurt Cobain ABSOLUTELY belongs on this list. You may not like his music, you may not think he's talented, but with one stomp of the distortion pedal in Teen Spirit he changed music forever. And he was the most popular & recognized figure during the height of grunge. People mothers even knew who he was. As for only being around a couple years, so was Hendrix. Though had he lived he still would have been remembered as the face of grunge.
Someone asked earlier which bands from the 80's could have survived grunge. I think GnR could have had a solid record in 94/95. Black Crowes is a band I wish remained more popular. Southern Harmony was a better album than they received credit for. Tesla, should have survived, not sure they put an album out or if it was good. Cinderella had a more rock oriented record in 1990, which I recall was pretty good & not as much hair metal. it was a little too little to late. Bands like Spin Doctors & Blues Travelers took their place.
If u call selling near 50 million copies worldwide of your new albums treading water, Id sure hate to see what you would all a band that is drowning.
they consistently had the top tours and albums even through the grunge years. the 92 album with Bed of Roses sold 3 million in the US. sure it was a drop from Slippery and New Jersey and grunge of course had some effect, but they did more than tread water.
I hate the whole they are hannah montana N Sync
why?
cause Bon Jovi have been a successful band for 24 going on 25 years now. The other shit u mentioned are trends, 3-5 year phenomenons.
Hell the Backstreet Boys barely even go gold now.
U don't have a 25 year career by accident. U can fake it and fool the fans for a few years, but if u didn't have talent and werent a great band, u wouldn't last 25 years.
They don't have talent and they aren't a great band. They're fucking sellouts.
name me one band that isn't a "sellout"
#3216 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl = Rock God #11 » 859 weeks ago
Bon Jovi is huge. U2/Metallica huge.. nobody should try to deny that. And they do write some pretty good songs, like them or hate them. Better than bands like Nickelback. Anyway, I do have to agree with Russtcb, Grunge did affect BJ. The album with Bed of Roses (can't recall the name) was a moderate hit. But nowhere near the smash that he was in the 80's. BJ was as big as GnR, just his fanbase was about all girls. He was basically a Rock Miley Cyrus, N Sync. Don't get me wrong, they were a legit band, but I'm speaking in terms of POPULARITY he was as big as they were. Slippery When Wet was as common as Hannah Montana, I recall girls in high school wearing those t-shirts endlessly. However, when the 92 album came out, Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder et al owned the music world. The album was successful, I'd compare it to the latest Weezer album in terms of popularity & media impression. I don't know how good the album was, haven't heard it really, but anyway chicks had by then clinged to U2's Achtung Baby, Pearl Jam, & REM. Bon Jovi was pushed aside a little bit. Ask DTJ, she'd probably tell you, he was nowhere near as popular as he was. Having said that, he went away thru the 90's. Did a wierd unheard of indie movie that NOBODY heard of, then in 2000 or whatever had a COMEBACK with These Days & a pretty good song in It's my Life. He didn't fall off the face of the earth like Poison & Warrant, but he wasn't immensly succesful either, I'd say he treaded water thru grunge.
Kurt Cobain ABSOLUTELY belongs on this list. You may not like his music, you may not think he's talented, but with one stomp of the distortion pedal in Teen Spirit he changed music forever. And he was the most popular & recognized figure during the height of grunge. People mothers even knew who he was. As for only being around a couple years, so was Hendrix. Though had he lived he still would have been remembered as the face of grunge.
Someone asked earlier which bands from the 80's could have survived grunge. I think GnR could have had a solid record in 94/95. Black Crowes is a band I wish remained more popular. Southern Harmony was a better album than they received credit for. Tesla, should have survived, not sure they put an album out or if it was good. Cinderella had a more rock oriented record in 1990, which I recall was pretty good & not as much hair metal. it was a little too little to late. Bands like Spin Doctors & Blues Travelers took their place.
If u call selling near 50 million copies worldwide of your new albums treading water, Id sure hate to see what you would all a band that is drowning.
they consistently had the top tours and albums even through the grunge years. the 92 album with Bed of Roses sold 3 million in the US. sure it was a drop from Slippery and New Jersey and grunge of course had some effect, but they did more than tread water.
I hate the whole they are hannah montana N Sync
why?
cause Bon Jovi have been a successful band for 24 going on 25 years now. The other shit u mentioned are trends, 3-5 year phenomenons.
Hell the Backstreet Boys barely even go gold now.
U don't have a 25 year career by accident. U can fake it and fool the fans for a few years, but if u didn't have talent and werent a great band, u wouldn't last 25 years.
#3217 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl = Rock God #11 » 859 weeks ago
I fuckin' hate Bon Jovi, I fuckin' hate Bon Jovi's music, and I fuckin' hate everything they stand for.... but I won't deny that they are fuckin' money - in - the - bank.
You can't deny that those guys have been U2 successful, and ALOT of people don't want to admit to that.
U see, i love Bon Jovi because they are who they are. They aren't trying to catch the next wave, they aren't trying to chase trends, they aren't out there with rappers on stage or trying to be Trent Reznor.
They know what they are, what they do well and what their fans like and they give it to them. Jon realized a long time ago they would never be critically loved, so he decided fuck it, lets do what we want to do and say the hell with the critic.
If you buy a Bon Jovi album, u are gonna get those 3 or 4 hooky hit type songs, but they do have songs that aren't cheesy and formulatic.
also in concert, u will always get more than your money's worth every single time.
It is like a restaurant in some ways. so and so may have the greatest food u ever tasted BUT if they constantly fuck up your order, bring it to u cold, u find a hair in it, get extremely shit service, chances are, u aren't gonna frequent that place very often no matter how great it is.
on the other hand, if u have a place that maybe isn't quite as tasty as that restaurant BUT the service is amazing, the food is still great and u never have any order mixups or problems, chances are, u will come back again and again and again.
grunge had no effect on Bon Jovi.
If u ever listened to These Days, it was Bon Jovi's introspective
"DARK" album and it was their least mainstream record for a reason. the songs are dark and gloomy and not the BJ you are use to therefore it didn't cross over as well. grunge had nothing to do with it.
Also,Destination Anywhere is no where near "Grunge" it is more Bruce Springsteen than grunge and it is a "solo" album so it doesn't matter. If Jon had promoted it as "Bon Jovi" than yeah, there would be some problems.
#3218 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 859 weeks ago
I don't understand how anyone thought CD was a great choice of a single.
Nobody cares about musicianship and all that anymore. People want a song, that they can listen to, have it fire them up and it be something they can wrap their heads around and get inspired by. Something you can relate to.
CD is the opposite. there isn't anyway the masses were gonna be able to relate to the song. It doesn't really fire you up, has little to no hooks and a minute intro.......... that all spells horrible first single.
so much attention was given to CD and the album was BURIED because of the poor reception of this single.
Put this in perspective. First single in 15 years, u have the WORLD's ear. Everyone wants u back, everyone cannot wait to hear what u have and u release THIS?
to beat it all, it couldn't even go number 1 on a freaking mainstream rock chart. that is just embarrassing when u factor in the GNR brand, fame and anticipation. THE ONLY reason it did as well as it did as a single was due to curiosity factor.
If Better were the first single, it would've got more attention than it has now and it would've been number 1 more than likely. CD killed CD and radio are fickle and rarely give people 2nd chances especially in the day and age of hip hop and satellite radio.
#3219 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Movie You've Seen » 859 weeks ago
The Wrestler 3 times *This movie is amazing*
Twilight Great movie. I've heard some shit on it but it is a very good movie. I love vampires and I love chick flicks, so put the two together and it is full of win!
#3220 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl = Rock God #11 » 859 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:Saudade wrote:Jon Bon Jovi is #3?!
Bon Jovi is huge, and has been huge since 1986. One of the few 80's bands(Jovi, U2, Aerosmith, Metallica) to make it through the grunge era with ease.
Wrong. Bon Jovi's best album (These Days) came out during the grunge period in the US and was completely ignored.
They finally managed to make a comeback with "It's My Life" from the "Crush" album which came out several years later (''99 I think?). Ever since that album, they've been writing the same song over and over again and people keep buying it.
Not saying he doesn't belong on the list, just wanted to point out the fact that they didn't make it through the grunge era unfazed.
Let me educate u on a little Bon Jovi history
During the height of Grunge 91 to 95 Bon Jovi released Keep the Faith which sold 3 million in the United States, 8 million worldwide and produced two top 40 songs, Keep The Faith no.29 and Bed of Roses which was a top 10 smash *I am talking billboard hot 100 and not the little mainstream shit people barely chart on today*
Also a mere 2 years later in 1994 their Greatest Hits CD sold 20 million, YES u are reading that correctly, 20 million copies worldwide, 5 million in the US and spawned another top 10 in Always.
These Days in 95 still went platinum in the US although it wasn't huge but it was very big worldwide moving another 8 million or so units and they sold out I don't know how many tours that year.
in 2007-2008 they have THE BIGGEST tour of the year. Not Madonna, not Bruce, but Bon Jovi beat them all.
Jon is a global icon and one of the greatest songwriter/live perfomers u will ever see in person. A true professional in every sense of the word and an all around great guy.
Some want to penalize him because he was never a druggie or didn't have a hard life growing up but he is what I consider the definition of a Rock God.
The guy is so huge he can even have a fucking number 1 country song and not lose any fans.
