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#3221 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 859 weeks ago

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Gunslinger wrote:
Neemo wrote:

1 - Nickelback - Dark Horse 
2 - Guns N' Roses - Chinese Democracy
3 - Metallica - Death Magnetic
4 - Kid Rock - Rock N Roll Jesus
5 - AC/DC - Black Ice
6 - Hinder - Take It To The Limit
7 - Guns N' Roses - Greatest Hits
8 - Hollywood Undead - Swan Songs
9 - Slipknot - All Hope Is Gone
10 - Saving Abel - Saving Abel

Thanks Neemo, this says plenty for me.  AC/DC had a SHIT load of help from Wally-world promos (don't think so?  Try to go to the electronics/music area and NOT see it all over the place) and Metallica had quite a bit of (positive) buzz as well , neither were limited to sales in ONE (not very large) store.  Some disagree strongly with my opinion and that's ok, they happen to be friends of mine who often make very good points and don't just shoot off at the mouth, they are backed up with strong arguments.  BUT...I'm right this time!  Ok, maybe only half-right.  The album is a failure if you go by what could've/should've been, however it's not doing bad at all ESPECIALLY considering all the things that went against it.  And no the music wasn't one of those.  I'd love to have seen more rockers but in my opinion it's a solid album.  Appetite/Lies and the UYIs were fuckin' masterpieces, nothing can easily be compared to those albums.  That doesn't mean CD doesn't have its own merits...it does.

My only problem with your post is how u make GNR out to be the victims.

They are not the victims

THEY chose to not promote it

THEY chose to sell out and give it to the highest bidder

THEY CHOSE Best Buy knowing their lack of stores etc

THEY are the ones not doing a tour

THEY are the ones who aren't releasing videos

THEY are the ones that released the worst possible first single


So let's keep in perspective that those other bands had 'HELP" but they made their own success by busting their ass while axl sit on his ass and took the money and ran.

#3222 Re: Guns N' Roses » LARS ULRICH Holding Up Release of GNR 'Better' Video? » 860 weeks ago

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what I can't understand is, how some of that shit is ahead of GNR on the charts.

I don't think CD is an amazing album, but Damn it is better than the shit in front of it.

#3224 Re: Guns N' Roses » Beating A Dead Horse » 860 weeks ago

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I still feel that CD isn't the great amazing album people try to make it out to be BUT it is still miles ahead of the other shit that passes for rock these days.

That isn't saying much I know, but I rank CD right behind Death Magnetic.

#3225 Re: Guns N' Roses » LARS ULRICH Holding Up Release of GNR 'Better' Video? » 860 weeks ago

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Also on "the Wrestler"

Slash does the Original Music throughout the movie.

#3226 Re: Guns N' Roses » Whats the opinion people in your life have on CD? » 860 weeks ago

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Axlin08 wrote:

I think TWAT is the most classic-GN'R song on the album.

I know i've said it before, but I stand by it... it sounds like the little brother of Estranged.

Yeah, the Little Retarded Down Syndrome brother.

That song is nowhere near the quality of Estranged.

Estranged is a masterpiece in every since of the word.

TWAT has laughable lyrics surrounded by great solos and an awesome outro

#3227 Re: Guns N' Roses » Beating A Dead Horse » 860 weeks ago

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Gunslinger wrote:

For the lack of promo I definitely think that it is selliing well.  As far as world sales it is #15 after five weeks, I wouldn't call that bad.  It also went platinum in a fairly quick manor (world sales) so again I don't see that as too bad.

Many argue (and don't get me wrong they are good arguments) that CD had a HUGE amount of promo over the past 17 years.  I can't deny that BUT my argument here is that the promo has been a double edged sword.  Because of the delays (mostly) I think the album went from "mythical" to "joke" in many peoples' minds so in the end I'm not sure this promo really helped much.

I agree but they get no pass because it is their fault.

#3228 Re: Guns N' Roses » Beating A Dead Horse » 860 weeks ago

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I think it has to beat Contrabands two number 1 rock singles and double platinum status and they have to win a grammy

anything less is gonna be a failure.

U got guys who so many shit on and act like they aren't GNR and that is was all Axl's genius, starting their own band and so far OWNING Chinese Democracy.

It certainly proves that Axl alone isn't GNR

They get no pass for Best Buy cause they are the ones that sold out and took the deal for the highest bidder and the most cash.

#3229 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dave Navarro on Chinese » 860 weeks ago

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Agree with the people in this thread.

I have listened to Hendrix trying to figure out exactly what is so amazing......

I'll take Slash any fucking day of the week and I agree with the Bob Dylan being the most overrated artist ever statement.

#3230 Re: Guns N' Roses » LARS ULRICH Holding Up Release of GNR 'Better' Video? » 860 weeks ago

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Damn Axlin.

Remind me to never piss u off.

If I ever murder someone, Im gonna hire u to be my attorney.

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