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#3241 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 861 weeks ago
I dont know about TWAT. I try to listen objectively like my brother would to these songs. U know, somebody who doesn't give a shit about GNR. I listen to CD's and try to find the songs that people who aren't fans would hear and love.
TWAT has really bad lyrics. Cringe worthy shit in my opinion and I really can't see very many relating to it on a massive scale.
U take November Rain for a second. just the intro alone lets u know that u are in for something epic. once the vocals start and the lyrics start, U can instantly tell that THIS will be something even my mother would love and that is essentially what makes things mega successful. Having that lightning in the bottle song that people ages 10 to 60 can like.
U take even Fall To Pieces by Velvet Revolver. We can argue this day and night but it is way more "Radio Friendly" than any song on CD. Not saying it is better mind u, but the music, lyrics, melodies etc are tailor made for radio, kind of like Buckcherry's "Sorry" song.
With GNR though, u have too many songs like CD and Rhiad and the Bedouins. I like Rhiad but let's be real, what the hell is that even about?
A huge thing that really lacks on this album is the arrangements and guitar riffs.
IRS for me is just a jumbled mess and even a song like "Prostitute" if you listen to the great GNR ballads, u hear a lot of changes. Take November Rain as our example or even Estranged.
the songs are truly epic as in they change musically, tempo, melody and style even.
Estranged is like 3 different songs but it all WORKS. November Rain u got the kick ass intro, the very relatable lyrics etc, the out of this world guitar solos. THEN u got the axl piano breakdown part with the orchestra and the heavy guitars that come in for a devastating outro that just pushes that stake deep into your heart.
On CD, rarely do those moments take place. Prostitute is like one HUGE verse almost the entire song, This I Love doesn't have that staying power cause its kind of the same thing from start to end and a really bad solo that is like a dentist drill..........
CD has it's moments, but there aren't any songs for me that just grab u from start to finish. Catcher did until all that added stuff that just ruined the song.
I just woke up and I am rambling a bit................
#3242 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 861 weeks ago
D... where the fuck you been??!?!
Went out of town for a week for Christmas. Also, I just have been trying to keep quiet and not really be negative. I am trying the whole, if I don't have anything good to say approach but fuck it.
Sometimes I feel message forums are bad for your health u know? GNR are the only one of my favorite bands that I post on message forums about and they seem to be the only one that I am negative or get upset about.
is that due to message forums? or is it because it is the only one of my favorite bands that give u reason to be negative?
I'm just trying to be over the whole GNR thing and just take it for what it is. I let people over at another forum totally rob me of my joy for this band over the years. The bullshit censor and deletion shit, the over the top love fest and ass kissing and excuse making over every single thing. It just kind of digs at u.
The bono/Faldor thing got me to thinking and It made me feel bad because Faldor hit it on the head. I am guilty myself at times of almost hoping New GNR and VR fail so I can possibly get a reunion, I don't want the new band to be better than the old band and I feel guilty almost being happy that CD is flopping so I can look at all the people who censor and bash u for having an objective opinion, all those who tried to act like Robin Finck was better than Slash etc.
I can take the numbers and be like "FUCK U" u are wrong, I was right BUT as Faldor said, I have to almost cheer for failure for one of my favorite bands to be right and that isn't how a fan should be.
I wasn't always negative and like this until all the bullshit started happening on GNR forums over the years. all the people who claimed Axl was GNR and the old band were lucky to have been in a band with him etc etc and how the new guys are superior to them before even releasing one fucking note. it just wore me down over the years.
I tried listening to CD on my way home from out of state and to be honest, I found myself skipping every other song and ended up listening to Scraped, Sorry, Catcher and Madagascar and that was it.
I feel bad for building this moment up in my head over all this time. I had this mythical comeback envisioned all these years and the VMA's, FUCK everything was so set up and just the constant bullshit and balldropping over the years has just left me deflated.
#3243 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 861 weeks ago
Let me throw my hat in the ring on this
CD doesn't "SUCK" but it isn't very commercial or listener friendly if you get what I mean.
There isn't any songs on CD that u can point to and say "YES THIS WILL KNOCK THEM DEAD"
every song is sort of the same theme and just not very radio friendly type stuff. That doesn't mean it sucks or isn't great but when u listen to WTTJ, SCOM, NR, PC, U can hear it and say "FUCK YEAH, that is gonna make my friend John who isn't a GNR fan listen.
The songs are self indulgent, not very broad and aren't easily appreciated by the masses of regular people.
That is why it hasn't sold not to mention the complete fuck up of the release and the worst possible first single choice known to man.
Singles sell albums, people love music they can relate to their life. I always loved GNR and other bands cause it's like they wrote the soundtrack to my life.
Who the fuck can relate to CD? U know? It has a basic riff, no hooks and just isn't relatable. people can't put their hearts around it.
that is what sells albums.
I want the original GNR and I no longer care who gives me shit or talks shit about me for saying so.
we've heard VR, we've now heard Axl and it's fairly obvious that neither is nowhere near the top level without one another.
#3244 Re: Guns N' Roses » What affect did the leaks have on you? » 861 weeks ago
Contraband is good, I realy enjoyed it, but in my opinion it doesn't come anywhere close to the quality of Chinese Democracy. Not in any way, shape, or form.
Yeah but u take a CD thrown together in a few months compared to something meticulously labored over though......
The production on CD is better and I enjoy Axl's vocals/melodies more but CB never has gotten old for me. It is my Workout/Running CD of choice and everytime I hear it, it still makes me move and gets me fired up whereas CD would be great if I were depressed and miserable.
I also like Loving the Alien,YGNR and FTP just as good as any CD ballad. they aren't as epic but they move me the same way.
#3245 Re: Guns N' Roses » What affect did the leaks have on you? » 861 weeks ago
So I listened to Contraband yesterday.......... I know this is sac religious on a GNR forum but I like it better.
Its more raw, powerful, rocking and spontaneous whereas CD sounds like a record made by 10 different people recording their parts at different times and sitting down and plotting every single little note.
#3246 Re: Guns N' Roses » Whats the opinion people in your life have on CD? » 861 weeks ago
I don't think people really care WHO broke up the band, when every original member leaves though............... U can call Slash a liar all u want, but EVERY single member?
#3247 Re: The Garden » The Rant Thread » 862 weeks ago
On the girl front
Girls do want the nice, great guy
Its just THEY WANT to be the reason u turn into the great nice guy. Girls see men as projects and they like taking a guy and molding them into their ideal man. It boosts their self esteem. Girls like a guy who is a challenge. its really weird.
I will say this though: not all girls are like this, just the shitty ones. Its best to just move a long when u meet a girl like this. Don't even try cause u won't find happiness there. If a girl is into bullshit and games, don't waste your time.
I learned that shit the hard way.
#3248 Re: Guns N' Roses » What affect did the leaks have on you? » 862 weeks ago
when I make comments, I base things on history and time.
People saying CD is the best GNR album since AFD for me are prisoners of the moment.
in 17 years, let's see if u still say that. For me, UYI's are still awesome today as they were when I first bought them.
For CD............ I honestly don't think I will listen to it next year let a lone 17 years.
It just seems really bogged down and kind of robotic and doesn't really flow for me the way music should.... if that makes any sense.
Leaks killed Better for me as well. I hate that song now but liked it when i first heard it.
#3249 Guns N' Roses » What affect did the leaks have on you? » 862 weeks ago
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Personally, I think I would've rated this album even higher had I not spoiled it with all those damn leaks.
Seriously, getting the album and already being burnt out on every song before u push play is not good.
So I am wondering, how great would this have been, had we not heard any leaks and had listened to this brand new in its entirety?
I have been giving this CD a bad rap, but in reality, it's because of how I already wore out all the songs before even buying it.
For instance, most albums, I usually listen to for a good year solid without getting completely burnt out. Hell, I kept Red Hot Chili Peppers Stadium Arcadium in my CD player for a year and a half before finally tiring. Same with Contraband and even Libertad.
With CD, 2 weeks and I don't care to listen anymore. I don't think it is the quality of the music.
what do u think the affect has been on your enjoyment?
#3250 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 862 weeks ago
I think the 2nd album will be a disaster unless there is a HUGE hit single. U have to factor in people who bought this for the curiosity factor alone. Those same probably won't buy the next.
Plus, how many hardcore fans are gonna buy 3 and 4 copies?
Next CD, Im buying 1 and thats it.
