I guess?

My thought was these were a temporary novelity that MIGHT have moved something. Maybe. But it wasn't going to be done on MyGNR, and it wasn't going to happen once a few people made the novelty a ticking time bomb (which happened like, the day they were posted).

Most articles I've read in the press about the music games (RB / Band Hero, GH...) notes that it took a lot of work to convince the bands/labels that the copy protection was sound enough to allow their masters to be used. A few bands embace this - even selling stems for remixes to fans - but many old school acts approach these as something to be locked up and hidden. The Beatles, for instance, wouldn't have allowed TBRB if the copy protection was weak (and it wasn't weak).

Harmonix was and has been on the trail of the people who first extracted and documented how to get the moggs out and decrypted. One was a pretty prominant console hacker who has since... stepped away.

Well, sort of. They did a little bit more than hook up an RCA cable and hit "record", though.

The thinking is the underlying program would change signifigantly by Rock Band III (which includes a keyboard), making the method obsolete, or it wouldn't change (because Harmonix didn't know to make changes), making the method forward compatible - ensuring more music, and some Holy Grails like Pink Floyd.

Right on the money about what?
Lame postings about dog turds and then, basically describing what I described - pretending to say something new? Pretending to be informed?

I'm "offended" at being called a hoarder and being grouped into this rabble at MyGNR, and perhaps most of all, annoyed at the entitlement mentality, well actually ---- mostly annoyed that the flow of moggs has stopped because some people didn't follow the rules.

And the stupidest thing, James, if you're running a fetish website and then pointing out how stupid it is for others to engage in that fetish. Yes, GNR, MLA, whatever - they're fetish properties, like comic books. In the grandscheme, these moggs are just as worthless as any other GNR song, unreleased, released, or whatever. It's annoying how the main thing you contribute to these discussions are how "worthless" these files are. Well, whatever. I just know I enjoy them, I'd like to get more, this 'now now now' mentality has prevented that.

Although I've had these files for 2-3 months, and got them from the originator, the first day they were posted, I have not been waving them around using mashups or remixes, nor have I posted them up piece-meal to drive people crazy. Nor have I been out there saying 'I have teh Moggsz!'. I wasn't anything special - I just kept following and persuing this for 2 years. Anyone of you could have gotten these files if you were so interested and looked into it and put the time in. Multitracks have become a hobby of mine, so I benifitted from that. I'm not obligated to post everything GNR related I find on the Internet because I'm on fan forums. It's not my business.

The people who had these Moggs, the one's you're talking about, were not 'hoarders' as conventionally defined. For one, they're idiots. Anyone mistaking a 1993 Dead Flowers for a 2000 Dead Flowers is a moron. And for two, they weren't supposed to have these files in the first place.

The 150 or so people who originally got these files were not supposed to post them up, talk of them publically, or give them to people who couldn't be trusted. Obviously that broke down, so then you have A giving it to B, who gives it to C, who then posts parts of them on forums and mashups. You have C out there 'hoarding it' because A trusted too much. These B and C people were the ones who would be talking about making trades in the forums and passing around samples --- and fooling for a 1993 Dead Flowers. Rule of thumb - people talking about doing trades at a MyGNR or a GNREvo, know nothing about actually doing trades. The pretenders got their ass handed to them.

Attack their lameness, I had nothing to do with that.

Posting mashups was exactly AGAINST the rules setout by the community that produced these Moggs. People there have been banned over things like this, and the people that have the skill to what is nessesary to get this audio out have stopped. Because they're in pretty real danger, and because it takes 8-12 hours to do something the size of Chinese Democracy. So, hurray for you, I guess, but this has pretty much shutdown my multitrack enthisiast friends. All was to be out there eventually, but I think we'll end up with even less, and the more these multis are out there, the less bands will agree to put thier masters in video games (which is already a dying fad).

So if you think I was among the rabble on MyGNR trying to get 'Checkmate' or Dead Flowers (haha...wow), and getting caught up in trying to sell these things (uh, wow)...you're seriously mistaken.

There was no skill involved in getting these out, and no one should be made out into a hero. Someone posted some megaupload or rapidshare links to a friend, who was dopey enough to give them to someone else, who was dopey enough to give to someone else. 2 months go by and these dopes think they're important, and finally, another dope just posts them all up.

No, he "buttfucked" a community that's about multitracks, of which GNR was just a dot on the scope, so GNR fans could enjoy what are basically 6 instrument isolations and make bad remixes.

Edit: And give themselves nightmares when they listen to the 'other instruments track' of Sorry on repeat.

And there's not a lot of skill in what he did.
Unlike what would be needed to get 'Checkmate' out there.