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#361 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2023 Tour Dates » 119 weeks ago

I don't know what Roy Thomas Baker problem was when he told Axl he had no hits. I'm listening to the 98 mix of CD (song) and to me that's a fucking hit in 2000. The Blues is a hit. Catcher could be a hit. Those songs were ruined in production.

Oh My God was dumb thing to do. The only reason they put it on the soundtrack is because it has "God" in the title. It's a good song but definitely not a hit or something you want to promote. If Chinese Democracy is attached to a big movie you could have a smash hit on your hands. It's a kickass, no nonsense rock song with a modern feel to it and Axl sounds amazing on it.

So many mistakes and missed opportunities.

#362 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2023 Tour Dates » 120 weeks ago

Dumbest thing he ever did was to force the band name clause when he didn't have to do that. That more than anything is what turned Slash against him.

Trying to keep the band relevant is not a bad idea in itself. Oh My God is a good example of the initial direction of the band, and I don't think that song is a deal breaker for most old fans, while also pleasing younger fans and pushing the envelope of the GN'R sound. Silk Worms is like the worst of the worst stylistically so not the best example. CD, IRS, Better all of that would have played. Especially if you got Slash doing the guitar.

#363 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2023 Tour Dates » 120 weeks ago

Their setlist is actually fairly even on material. About 10 songs from the 80s, 10 from the 90s and 10 other songs. That surprised me.

But why do the worst song on AFD? They could do The Garden or Pretty Tied Up, You Ain't the First, Bad Obsession, so many more interesting choices.

#364 Re: The Sunset Strip » Tina Turner Dead at 83 » 120 weeks ago

She did this at 70. Axl Rose, take a bow.

#365 Re: The Sunset Strip » Tina Turner Dead at 83 » 120 weeks ago

The media will seize on a black icon any way they can.

Great song. That kind of stuff is what separates the 80s from the 90s. Later it became all negative, but in the 80s there was still innocence. The fall of the USSR was a mistake.

I won't really miss Tina like I don't miss most celebrities. I never knew them and the work is still there. But I will miss her heyday.

#366 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Movie You've Seen » 120 weeks ago

There are independent movies out there. Usually art movies, horror and comedies. Clint Eastwood is the only guy I know who makes "Hollywood movies". That's why I love stuff like Absolute Power so much. On the surface it looks like your typical thriller, but you notice the little quirks and lack of production values that reveal it as an independent effort. There is purity in Clint's approach. Where Hollywood tries to make a movie yes, at least back then, they are a machine with committees and agendas. All of that tend to interfere in the process. With Clint it's just Clint making the decisions. Kinda like how De Palma tries to make a better Hitchcok movie, Clint tries to make a better Hollywood movie. And when he succeeds the result is really good.

#367 Re: Guns N' Roses » How do you feel about CD potentially being the last GNR album? » 121 weeks ago

The more I think about it, If The World is the most accomplished song on CD. It's not the greatest melody out there, but it sounds modern, crisp and you can tell they didn't mess around too much with it. The same can be said of Sorry, another late edition to the sessions.

Rest of the album is a bunch of great ideas ruined by overproduction. The Blues was a great song when you heard it live and you dreamed about hearing a studio version. Madagascar too. But what we hear on the album is a mess. The village sessions are for the most part far superior in their simplicity and attitude.

What we need is a proper remaster, but won't happen with the reunion band. Perhaps the best thing would be to compile a whole new album with Slash and Duff, using songs from CD and from "CD II", and then make that the last GN'R album. In a sense that would be similar to a hypothetical late 90s, early 00s GN'R album.

#368 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 121 weeks ago

Sky Dog wrote:

Bucket plays solos on Sorry, If The World, Shacklers and Scraped, CD outro after Finck, SOD outro…..he’s all over the album! Read the credits again!

He plays a lot of solos but few of them are great. It's more chicken cooping than twatting. If he brought his Rio Madagascar game to every song I would be overcome with joy, but as it stands his contributions to CD are disappointing. BBF and Robin are just as important in the credits. Being a much better player he should be dominating.

#369 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 121 weeks ago

Apart from TWAT and IRS what did BH really contribute to CD? CD (song), Catcher and Scraped is actually Bumblefoot on the solos. Better is Robin (the good one). TIL is Robin. Madagascar was good in RIO but it does not catch your breath on the album.

Shackler is bad, If the World and Sorry are good but not because of any amazing guitar work. 

I've gone from thinking BH was indispensable to sort of not caring. He contributed a handful of bits, he wasn't exactly dominant like Slash. His potential in the band was never fulfilled.

#370 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why do people tend to take Tommy's word for everything? » 122 weeks ago

You're right and I don't like to peddle the myth that it was Axl holding CD back. I think it has been established that it was the label that refused to release it until Azoff managed to secure a deal for them to cut their losses. The leaks probably helped in that regard too, either they release the album now and get something out of it, or the whole thing would eventually leak and they would get nothing. Axl was caught in the middle of this game and I think that is what he is referring to when he says the struggles with CD was the worst of his life. He wanted the thing out there in 2001, maybe earlier, but the labels opposition and the media hostility made it into a living nightmare.

That being said there are no vocals for Oklahoma in the locker leaks. Very possible he added them later considering what you mention, but why wasn't it already finished? The song dated back years and judging by how good the instrumental is you would think it would be a priority to include on your comeback album. That same can be said about CD. Why isn't a song like Oklahoma included there? We say CD is a leaks album, and yes it mostly is, but there are also some non leaks on there. Robin Finck says he persuaded Axl to add TIL on the album, so apparently it wasn't just the record company making those decisions. Why didn't Axl include any of the mythical big guns to boost his chances of success? Instead we get Shackler and Scraped. New songs, but not very good ones.   

It gets worse when you consider Hard Skool. They decided to splice in some half done vocals from Eye on You, because obviously that song was never completed beyond its locker leaks form, and there was no unheard Axl material to take it from either, and apparently it was completely out of the question for Axl to do any new vocals. With the release of Absurd and Hard Skool we are again facing a "leaks album". Is that because they were leaked, or is it because most of Axl's material has already leaked and that's all we are going to get?

He talks about doing all these vocals but where is the evidence? To me it seems he had a major creative burst in 99-01 which basically gave us CD, and then a smaller burst in 06-07 which gave us Better, Sorry, Scraped, Shackler, If the World etc. Some good songs there, but clearly the 99-01 period is superior.

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