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#31 Re: Guns N' Roses » Matt Sorum open to Playing with Current GNR Line-up » 567 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:

Curious though despite all the standard Axl/Slash yada this normally turns into.

Does anyone actually want to see Matt in the band?

The re-unionists are never going to accept it, cause lets be honest they only really care about Slash.

Would others though prefer Matt to Frank? I'm not so sure.

Matt's presence is not vital. I'm fine with Frank as soon as he finally learns how to play YCBM and RQ.

#32 Re: Guns N' Roses » Matt Sorum open to Playing with Current GNR Line-up » 567 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Yeah, I don't know the amount, but I'm pretty positive Axl had to pay Slash to perform on Estranged and NR. No one remembers this? I thought it was backed up by someone like Tom?

And with all the respect in the world to Chinese Whispers, but just because we can't find an interview saying Axl presented the band with anything doesn't mean he didn't and that was really my point. We don't know. This I love was actually played live during Axl's NR intro back in the 90s. I doubt Slash never heard it or that is was never presented. He's also talked about Axl being into synths and stuff back then. I'm sure he heard some of it, even a little, if he said it.

I would have loved to hear what Slash and Dave Navarro could have done together back then. I would have even liked to have heard them as just a four piece, with no rhythm guitarist back in the 90s. The way Sympathy should have been.

Despite everything, Paul ended up being a great songwriting partner for Axl, though.

I think Axl did present them some stuff sometime. Slash said in his last GN'R days that they were working on some material and that was "Axl's stuff".

(Couldn't agree less about Paul Huge's songwriting skills and the outcome, but that's another topic.)

#35 Re: Guns N' Roses » Matt Sorum open to Playing with Current GNR Line-up » 567 weeks ago

I don't think that Axl paid $30,000 for Slash to get him write and play for NR and Estranged. But I do remember that Slash once paid $10,000 to the others cause he wanted to start a show with his favourite Nightrain. They lived a lifestyle none of us can imagine. 30,000 just wouldn't have been enough to buy any of theirs service. On the other hand I remember an Axl interview where he insinuated they were blackmailing each others during the UYI sessions. He said something like they told each other that "if my songs will not be done, then yours won't be done either".

It shows the tension even during the UYI era. I think the frustration of these recordings is overseen. Slash was full of it, publicly, sometimes blaming the absence of Axl and Izzy for the delay. They felt it took a lifetime to finish that album. Slash wanted it to be done by late 1988. The never-ending sessions were a nightmare for them. Axl not meeting them, being available only on phone was also a nightmare. Izzy's no-shows during the rehearsals also damaged the band. He disappeared for months. I remember Slash slamming Izzy for travelling across the US and not playing guitar for 2 months - when he was supposed to be with them (in Chicago I guess) to finish instrumental writing. So basically only 3 of them were working their asses off, in a really bad state of mind. No wonder that Slash's, Duff's and Steven's addiction worsened during this period. They also had problems with the amount of slow songs.

Considering this, it's no surprise Slash didn't want to repeat it. He's an addict, but he was aware that working hard was (and still is) the only solution not to kill himself with drugs or booze. But he's not the man for never-ending sessions, he needs to see the goal and it cannot be far off. He's the man of the minute - hence we have this amazing skills for improvisations and creating something quick, but the never-ending tinkering kills him. He wanted to survive.

So first he wanted to do a heavier blues rock record and totally ruled out the "ballad band" way. He didn't like the dolphins, the back-up singers, the "bigger than life" reality GN'R had become.

"At one point he said he was gonna a solo project, then he decided his solo-project he could do with Guns, which I was like, after doing all those videos and this and that and the other, I was like: "No". [laughs] No, I don't wanna get involved in any kind of Stephanie Seymour ballads or any of that shit."

(Slash, Canadian Radio, 04/20/95)

He thought he can guide the band back to its rock rules, instead of the mix of Elton John, Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails, that he hated then. It's a confusing mix anyway. He couldn't understand what Axl wanted from him - and I guess Axl only knew what he didn't want from Slash. Unfortunately that was the kind of music Slash wanted to make.
But Axl was in the position of power, cause he got the name and started a new band with the same name. He invited the others to join, but it was clear they didn't have power anymore. They had no say in what to do or what not to do.
I guess Slash panicked. He knew that he risks the existence of the whole band and even his life. He decided to give it another try, another tries, whatever it is, just to please Axl. He publicly said they were working on songs - Axl songs. (I can't find the qoute right now.)

Slash 1996:

I have only been back in the band for three weeks and my relationship with Axl right now is sort of at a stand still. Right now, Axl and I are deliberating over the future of our relationship.

Then they broke up.

#36 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron leaving the band after Vegas? » 568 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

DJ doesn't talk about "old music" in a negative sense, he says he'll be on the next album, that the songs are amazing, that he's writing, and the other guys are writing, you don't hear that from Ron, nothin positive about the band ever comes out in these interviews. The exact opposite with the other guys. And the other guys know the deal and accept it.

If Ron is miserable, and he's takng a stand, he would have left a long time ago. I swear, everytime I start liking him he opens his mouth.

Go see John 5 about filling his spot. Better yet... Go offer Bucket the farm and a trip to every Disney park park on earth, the chance to score Space Mountain, his own haunted house at every GN'R show, a huge merchandising deal. ANYTHING he wants. Ron is not irreplaceable.

BH will never come back to play Slash tribute shows again. He'll never come back to spend years in the studio with Axl not showing up, just sending back stuff he likes asking for more developement.

Since John 5 is a whore, he would sign the deal. The shredder version of DJ Ashba. Axl surely got his numbers years ago, just didn't have enough motivation to make a call.

#37 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron leaving the band after Vegas? » 568 weeks ago

I get what you're saying and absolutely agree that he's there only for the money, but hey, what about the others? I'm sure all of them there only for the money. There is no musician on Earth (Steven Adler included) who could be satisfied with touring the same shit in the same order for years and years, playing songs written by other people (mostly), and there is no sign of moving forward, there is no hope to create something together or to leave a mark behind you musically. It's extremely frustrating. I think Ron's venting shows that he has MORE integrity than the others, cause Tommy's, DJ's and the others' silence are bought by the paychecks (Dizzy and Fortus sold themselves to the level of bullshitting the fans), while Ron has the biggest problem with the Axl and TB bullshit and he dares to call them out for this.
I guess his days are numbered in the band. He'll leave (I guess he hasn't till now) or Axl will fire him as soon as he finds a replacement. Ron's biggest luck is that 1, Axl's extremely lazy and can't things done 2, Axl needs him for his nostalgia cash-grab tours. As ironic as it is, Ron'll probably get sacked the day Axl decides to move forward.

#38 Re: Guns N' Roses » Matt Sorum open to Playing with Current GNR Line-up » 568 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

i think they made each other miserable. It was kind of a wasted few final years as they both mentally checked out of the band as a cohesive unit, Slash probably more than Axl. The one thing they both agree on was that there were major conflicts the moment Slash joined the band about who was going to lead it... someone was going to win the test of wills. If anything, no matter who you believe, Slash gave Axl a lot of ammo in those interviews for this "war." There was also a quote from Slash where he said he would have made that "NIN" album Axl wanted... which kind of contradicts a lot of what he's said.

I think these quotes (and the whole story of GN'R) prove that you not only need to collect as much sources as you can to make the picture of what happened, but you also need to be a helluva psychologist to understand when they're honest, when they're lying, when they're overdramatizing, when they're trying to make things look better (sometimes even lying to themselves about the conflicts) etc. Hence we have these parallel universes in GN'R land, the parallel histories of what, how and why happened.

#39 Re: Guns N' Roses » Matt Sorum open to Playing with Current GNR Line-up » 568 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Funny that Slash got advice from Keith Richards on the situation: "Whatever you do, don't leave the band". Keith knew singers can be crazy, but he also knew he was the lead guitarist and that gave him power. Slash could have worked out a compromise with Axl in the mid 90s easily if he had really wanted it. Axl was crazy, but not crazy enough to fire him just because he refused to do "Pearl Jam music". That Paul Tobias shit is also hugely exaggerated.

You don't get into a near suicidal situation for shit and giggles. You don't leave the still biggest band of the world for jack shit. No need to rewrite history like Slash would have easily quit Guns N' Roses to blackmail Axl, and the situation wasn't that bad. All source says the situation was horrible and unbearable.

BTW Slash didn't leave Guns N' Roses. Axl left the band and started a new one with the same name. Slash just didn't join this as an employee.

#40 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Wicked Stone » 569 weeks ago

Gibbo wrote:

Yeah sounds alright mate. I was talking to elvis and this is one of his fav.What your username on mygnr mate?

I haven't registered and don't plan to do it, cause if I do I'll comment sooner or later and I don't need (more) useless Internet debates in my life.  16

I do check the 2 Slash topics and Canter Banter almost every day. Those are great.

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