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#411 Re: Guns N' Roses » Youth and Sean Beavan interviews » 392 weeks ago

But this again proves my point.

Post on an album is a relatively breezy process and Tommy said “issues” could’ve been handled during the mix and master.

Oh My God had everything there, the levels just needed some work.

But give a tinkerer a pro tools console, he’ll eat for a day. Wait, that’s not how that saying goes.

#412 Re: Guns N' Roses » Youth and Sean Beavan interviews » 392 weeks ago

Yes, I know.

My point was the songs haven't changed much, have sounded quite whole, and if we know anything about the 1997-2002 era it's that the "band" was working their asses off.

The Madagascar leak from last year is the closest thing to a working track we've heard. TWAT getting 2 minutes of Buckethead was an addendum onto a finished song.

Then again, Axl called Oh My God a demo so Christ, who really knows. It's extremely relative.

#413 Re: Guns N' Roses » Youth and Sean Beavan interviews » 392 weeks ago

kermit the Trump wrote:

Beavan needs to be interviewed again.

Indeed. It was a pretty nutless interview.

All interviewees walk on eggshells though, I'm surprised they're doing interviews at all.

kermit the Trump wrote:

The Slash/Duff thing really has me intrigued. As you guys know, I've always believed the real truth about Axl and Slash has been kept under the radar for years.

If we Occam's Razor it: Paul Tobias was on his way out and needed a replacement, Axl is crazy, and Slash was not sober.

Izzy or Slash? Axl wins. 

Slash was doing guest spots and there was potential he'd rejoin and Axl would get what he wanted all along. Instead, Slash and Duff sue him in 2002 and again in 2004, they start Velvet Revolver, and then Slash does that mysterious house visit to Malibu. He went from a free agent to a guy playing for the enemy and everyone on the opposing team was talking mad shit.

I don't remember much that was extreme on Axl's end until the Slash is cancer line. It was pretty tame. So the history plus Slash's book brought out the devil in Axl in 2009. We also don't know how much litigation Slash and Duff brought against him 2007-2008 and if/how it caused delays/etc with Chinese Democracy.

kermit the Trump wrote:

Not sure I buy the album being done musically but if true

I got my Youth chronology wrong, I was thinking 1997 but he was around in 1998.

Still, I don't think we give the skeleton crew of Howerdel, Finck, Dizzy, et. al. from 1997 enough play.

James Barber wrote:

"The Robin Finck/Josh Freese/Tommy Stinson/Billy Howerdel/Dizzy Reed version of the album that existed in 1998 was pretty incredible." (James Barber, Poptones, 10/16/05)

James Barber wrote:

"The record just needed a lead vocal and a mix. [...] If Axl had recorded vocals, it would have been an absolutely contemporary record in 1999." (James Barber, Poptones, 10/16/05)

Youth stated that there were 35 songs in his day and that he pushed Axl for vocals. He said nearly all his work didn't make the final album.

The song number was in the 30s before Beavan and up to 60+ by the time Roy Thomas Baker took the chair.

The rawest leak we have is the "Madagascar" from last year. The rest could've been sweetened and pushed out the door.

Keep in mind a logo was commissioned for New GNR in 1999 which would suggest how close to critical mass we were.

It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside of an enigma.

kermit the Trump wrote:

He went silent and shouldered most of the blame when he shouldn't have.

I dunno. Mental health issues or not, he pretty much tanked during the 2002 tour and his rep was at an all-time low.

The media was brutal then. BRU-TAL.

You're right as far as 2009 goes. Those CD heavy set lists were years overdue

The strange things are two-fold:
1. He came out guns blazing at Rio
2. He basically lead with his biggest cards in 2006

Desperation, perhaps, but kinda had to considering Better, TWAT, IRS had all leaked.

kermit the Trump wrote:

There's something weird about 2000-01 as well.

The interesting time period to me is 2001-2002.

Axl's personal change, the album being near done to not being done, Axl being more hostile towards Slash, the list goes on.

kermit the Trump wrote:

There's something weird

Yes. Correct answer.

Also weird:
- Shacklers and Sorry being on ice for 8 years
- Jackie having vocals, being worked on post-Freese
- Song on 3rd record being worked on in May 2006
- CD tracklist being relatively fixed since 1997
- What material being on what album jumped around

#415 The Sunset Strip » Pearl Jam releases new song "Can't Deny Me" on Fan-Club » 392 weeks ago

esoterica
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I can't say I'm a huge fan of transparent political rock but this is another good example of catering to your base.

#416 Re: Guns N' Roses » Youth and Sean Beavan interviews » 392 weeks ago

kermit the Trump wrote:

If most of the vocals are ready in 1999, which vocals were done in 2001? Fortus mentioned it in an interview a couple years ago.

A guestimation combined with facts

2001-2002
Better
Riad
Silkworms

2006-2007
This I Love
Shacklers
Sorry
Overdubs

kermit the Trump wrote:

The question I always asked is more valid now with this info. Why was Oh My God chosen as the song to introduce new GNR to the world?

The impression one gets is that they put less thought into it than the fans did.

It's a pretty ballsy and aggressive song and equally ballsy and aggressive choice. Stake your territory, maybe.

It fits alongside the nu-metal thing at the time. Eh. Win some and you lose some. Shoulda continued to come out swingin'.

kermit the Trump wrote:

I suppose the fact there were different versions of the song played a role.

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kermit the Trump wrote:

This is interesting. Are we going to find out Slash and Duff were still involved with GNR to an extent much later than previously known? Maybe part of one of the shadow lineups.

Jackie is an old Guns track with Brain on it. You wonder how many others...

kermit the Trump wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The meat of the story is 1999-2001. Its when everything came together and when everything fell apart.  From that point forward the project was coasting on fumes with a label pouring water on it.

I don't think there's really much else hiding in the wings, we at least have the general thrust.

1997 - Album is done musically
1999 - Axl depressed, spiraling, rising, not recording vocals, rotating guitar players pt. 1
2000 - RTB replaces Beavan, rotating guitar players pt. 2
2001 - Label now questions material, not just production style
2002  - Tour cancelled, label throws GNR into the pile with the other dead bodies
2006 - Axl tries to personally resurrect himself and the project, rotating guitar players pt. 3
2008 - Azoff throws hail mary, ties the game but it's double overtime and the game ends in a draw
2009-2014 - Axl thinks its 1987 and he can get CD over by forcing it down people's throat, the car runs on fumes for years

The only thing that really interests me is the different iterations of the record and I guess what happened between 2001 and 2002 to take fit Axl ready to go to fat Axl I don't know soon's the word although the principle of parsimony would say fear and mental health issues.

Every major milestone could arguably be interpreted in the light of the label trying to help Axl to the mountaintop but he didn't want the help.

#417 Re: Guns N' Roses » Youth and Sean Beavan interviews » 392 weeks ago

Youth highlights:
- Youth background, professional life, where he got the nickname from
- Not much that wasn’t said before on Whispers; Axl depression, Axl spiritualism as attempt to heal, Youth getting Axl to sing again, Prostitute as standout track. Very little new.
- Axl wouldn’t let others hear vocals until entering the booth



Beavan mentioned being excited about RTB taking it in a different direction. You’d guesstimate it was grittier vs polished and high end.

#418 Re: Guns N' Roses » Youth and Sean Beavan interviews » 392 weeks ago

Sean Beavan interview highlights:
- Sean's background, early life
- The role of a Producer explained
- Early interactions with GNR via NIN
- Working with Brian May on CD was a fanboy moment
- Came to CD project via Howerdel and Finck, each attempting to recruit him separately

Chinese Democracy tidbits:
- Confirms Axl's trilogy idea "had idea for these three records at one time"
- 35 songs in first month of project ("instrumentals without vocals")
- Mentions wanting to cut down budget but Axl said no because he was taking care of crew
- Tom Waale and Jimmy Iovine "came in a couple times"
- Confirms most CD vocals were from 1999
- Axl played guitar on "loopy" songs like Madagascar, was likely replaced by other players
- Loop based songs were done in Billy Howerdel's small studio
- Jimmy Iovine wanted "Oh My God" on End of Days, not a band/collective decision but Axl was agreeable
- Names The Blues / Street of Dreams as the most epic or complicated song to put together
- Album stalled in vocal department, mutual decision to leave, and he recommended Ezrin but RTB replaced him
- Says Axl wanted the creative emphasis, was uneasy about Brian May being involved
- Confirms Chris Vienna's audition and that he was around when Slash and Duff were still around

Other GNR tidbits:
- Live Era mixed by Andy Wallace, Sean didn't work on it at all
- Doesn't remember working on Appetite re-recording
- The song he didn't work on that he mentioned during the interview was "This I Love"
- Didn't work on "The General", thinks Tommy told him about it though


It's a bummer they didn't ask about other CD songs, unreleased CD songs, etc.

The fever is still strong with this one.

#419 Re: Guns N' Roses » Is the ChiDem remix album dead? » 392 weeks ago

I love everything Chinese Democracy. I'd buy the remix album but I'm not necessarily excited about it.

The label owns rights to everything recorded 95-03, GNR had a 3 album contract at the time, Appetite For Democracy fulfilled one of those, and the last I knew it was negotiated on was around 2006.

For digital releases, sales, and profits, it depends entirely on the legal language, sometimes there are certain clauses to rope artists in longterm, sometimes not. It all depends on the contract.

If I had to wager a guess, there's been a longstanding gridlock and animosity between Axl and the label and it likely played a factor in no music being released 2010-2012. "It's a bit more complicated than anyone would like... and no ones trying to talk in parables".

I'm with Axl in terms of artist treatment, profits, and the like. Streaming is just as corrosive to art as illegal downloading.

#420 Guns N' Roses » Youth and Sean Beavan interviews » 392 weeks ago

esoterica
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qIekyH5Voc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2HZDM8Vf0E

I haven't had time to listen to either yet. If no one writes a summary, I will.

I'm hoping there will be a nugget or two about the CD era / songs.

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