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#411 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
I thought GnR were done with their commitment to UMG, just by a simple album count.
#412 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
Perfectly fair, Brett. I don't know why he has chosen to stay silent. Very disappointing endgame if you ask me.
#413 Re: Guns N' Roses » RS Top Albums of 2008 » 863 weeks ago
LOL. umm ok.
#414 Re: Guns N' Roses » RS Top Albums of 2008 » 863 weeks ago
Cool stuff. I am happy someone has noticed how good this album is.
#415 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
DCK wrote:I know its obvious, which is EXACTLY WHY THIS ALBUM SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE AXL ROSE BAND.
Things didn't really go down that way or shaped themselves in that direction for it to be the Axl Rose band. The name thing itself I supoort Axl 100% for keeping.
Axl set this thing up to fail from the get go by both keeping the name and changing the direction to a direction fans didn't want. So its just JABA.....JABA = Just Axl Being Axl......
I think this is a GnR record in tone, content, and sound. There are a few departures and definitely some new textures, but I don't find this record far removed from the Illusions.
#416 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
Killing Vector and Bono, you guys are cracking me up tonight! Ha. KV, the album is a fucking bomb. All the songs were on myspace and GNR celebrated the 987million listens and only sold 300,000+ copies in the US. Bono can be a little blunt, but I tend to agree that generally the masses in the United States anyway, hate the album. I say this because every GNR fan outside of GNREVO, HTGTH, myGNR, hates the album. I pushed it on everyone, and they ALL hate it. I haven't found one fucking non diehard like you and I that loves the album. Not one. Compare/Contrast that with AC/DC's Black Ice and Metallic Death Magnetic. There are still rock fans out there. GNR missed big time on this one and typically Record Companies don't all of the sudden start pushing an album after the release. KV, I like you and your posts, but sometimes its like I am reading Jarmo or Ali from HTGTH where they are very biased in favor of Axl (current GNR).
I think there are a lot of reasons why this hasn't sold but to declare the public hated the music is blunt and, I think, not indicative of why albums don't sell in general. Sure, there are people who don't like the music, but most of those people weren't going to buy it anyway. The question is whether those customers can be replaced by leaners/undecideds by hooking them on to the music. The campaign has been fumbled so badly, this was never allowed to happen.
Unlike many of you, I still think the quality is there for people to find if they hear enough. Unfortunately, nothing has stuck for whatever reason. Personally I believe Axl burnt his market reach along with his advance cash over the years and there just aren't enough people open minded and/or interested in his music anymore based solely on the name of the band or the current perception of the lead singer. I feel that way about James Hetfield and haven't even looked at DM yet. But if a cool song were to appear on the radio or in a vid, I could be turned. Color me undecided but a leaning no buy on DM. I suspect there are millions of people who feel the same way about GnR.
Remember, if GnR pushed an extra 150k units first week, they would have been a reasonably close second to Kanye and suddenly the conversation changes. I firmly believe that a tour and some press would have allowed them to close the gap and stay in the top Ten longer than they did. So for me it is not about closing the deal with people who hate the album, but finding people who haven't made up their mind.
Ali is a good guy, but Jarmo is still in denial by believing this album is doing well.
#417 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:Bono wrote:At what point did I ever say quality is measured by units pushed?
U2 has a name, U2 has selling power but people didn't like what they heard from the Pop album so not nearly as many purchased it as your regular U2 album. Chinese Democracy is no fucking different. People haven't liked what they've heard so people aren't gonna buy it.
Wow. You are a piece of work. Let me see, so now maybe you agree that people haven't liked what they've heard off Chinese Democracy so they didn't buy it. Gee that'd have something to do with the music no? So now you wanna say units sold is a measure of quality? the album hasn't sold casue people don't liek it? Ummm.... That's one of the reasons I've mentioned. You're agreeing with me here. Holy shit. Not once did I say units pushed is a measure of quality when it comes to your own opinion on music. Read my comments about The Nationl. You seriously need help with this don't you? I can't believe you actually quoted me there thinking it helps your point.
I directly quoted you because you claimed not to say what you directly said in that quoted passage.
Yup I am. You know full well what I'm saying. But as usual you beat around the bush and avoid the actual point of the comment.
Go ahead and scold me for not paying the electric bill on time next month too while you are at it. Save me some grief.
And lets' not forget the music itself. See what I'm getting at? I've already agreed with the things you listed but you can't seem to accept the music itself plays a part. How very FANBOY of you.
I agree that some people rejected the music. Does that help?
But it is not the whole story.
The difference between you and I is I also believe there are many other factors at play yet I'm not so God damn stubborn as to not aknowledge that the music is one of those factors. Your'e acting like if everyone listend to the album and let it digest they'd all love it. Newsflash buddy, this album is not apealing to the masses. In a way I'd think you'd take that as a compliment but deep down it seems sales matter to you. You just don't want to say it.
I acknowledge that the quality of the music may be a factor in some listeners' eyes. But again I don't think that is the bigger factor.
how'bout you read it and then form your opinion. I mean you seem to think you're an educated guy so educate yourself on what I actually thought of the album instead of responding to my posts as if I was here to spam, hate and troll. If I remember correctly I think a few people actually said my review was surprisingly positive for an Axl hate mongering asshole such as myself.
I am quite dellusioned about my own education honestly.
I just read your synopsis in the other thread and it wasn't very positive.
#418 Re: Guns N' Roses » what are we disappointed with? » 863 weeks ago
Axl has used CD to explain his side to a lot of issues. Lennon did that to McCartney. Some artists prefer to use their music to send messages.
#419 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
At what point did I ever say quality is measured by units pushed?
U2 has a name, U2 has selling power but people didn't like what they heard from the Pop album so not nearly as many purchased it as your regular U2 album. Chinese Democracy is no fucking different. People haven't liked what they've heard so people aren't gonna buy it.
Had the sales been impressive you as well as others would flip this thing on it's head and be using units pushed as a measure of quality saying
So you are criticizing me for something that haven't done?
The music speaks for itself. As it stands though sales are low and the music simply hasn't been given a chance cause who in their right mind would reject such an album if they heard it? Who could possibly dislike this thing?
There are many factors at play here, from a lackluster promotion campaign, silence from the band and its leader, to a negative public perception of the current GnR brand.
I get it you love it. Some do but most average Joes won't. I've loved many albums that didn't sell. Doesn't mean I'm stupid enough to think it's just because nobody got a chance to hear it or they didn't give it a fair chance. What? like if everyone had a chance to listen to it they'd buy it? Or do they have to let it digest over a dozen or so listens? That shit sounds like poor sports. Boo fucking hoo!
Everything is black and white with you yet your express yourself with the vulgarity of a sailor. Again, many factors at play here yet you continue to harp that this album has been rejected based on quality. I disagree and think there are many other problems affecting this record's performance.
Also good to know you haven't read my album review nor do you have any inclination to do so. I guess from now on you can stop spouting off about stuff(my opinions on the album) which you obviously no nothing about.
Your 'review' oozes from every rant you post here.
#420 Re: Guns N' Roses » what are we disappointed with? » 863 weeks ago
Agreed, D-machine.
It appears, that the general public, as well as the "fan-base" are speaking with our wallets with this.
Also, the schism in the fan base, doesn't really exist outside the fan base.
Everyone HATES Axl...
He was hated by the public by the time the Illusions tour ended for his petulent behavior, and he's hated even more now for his abuse of the name, and his $14 Million dollar experiment in a failing economy.
The "nutswingers" aren't just the hard-core Axl supporters, it's any of us who even care anymore.
Absolutely. The perception is that Axl was the force who broke up the band and stole the name from the other band members.
If the guy doesn't speak up for himself, then who is to change these minds?
