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#4231 Re: Guns N' Roses » Eddie Trunk on Chinese Democracy » 952 weeks ago
Jameslofton wrote:The album will not sell 8 million
If Linkin Park can do that in the US alone, why is it impossible for Guns N' Roses to sell 8 million World Wide... ?
Linkin Park's newest album has only sold 2 million and it has been pretty popular. They sold 10 million back before record sales completely tanked with their debut Hybrid Theory. That was 2000. The industry has changed a lot since then.
Once the new AC/DC and Metallica albums come out, we might be able to get a clearer indication of how sales would be for GNR in today's industry. The bands have similar target consumers and are each coming off long delays between albums. Until those numbers come in, it'll be difficult to gauge record sales, as the industry has changed a lot even in the past two or three years.
I think it can easily be argued that they don't have similar target customers. GN'R is now a fleshed out version of the UYI epic songs like "November Rain" and "Estranged." Axl has complete control over the band now. Slash, Duff, and Matt took quite a few of the hard rock GN'R fans with them when they formed VR. Do we all love the hard rock by GN'R? Hell yeah, but we also appreciate Axl's unique talent (one of the most unique voices in pop music). However, the GN'R sound is not anywhere near as hard as it was in the 80's or hell even on some of the UYI songs like Perfect Crime and so on. VR is far more similar to AC/DC and Metallica than the new version of GN'R.
bucketfoot wrote:Ozzy didn't have the biggest rock band of the late 80s and early 90s.
no but he was pretty close....
no more tears has gone like 4-5 times platinum and UYI went like 6-7 times platinum (In the USA)
Both UYI albums are certified 7x platinum. That's 14 million albums sold at the same frickin' time. Still not as huge as Appetite, which sold 15 million in the U.S. Hell, Sabbath was never even that popular, let alone Ozzy on his own. Still though, I think you are right that Chinese Democracy will struggle. It's a completely different time. The option is available to download stuff for free even if you do want to buy it, just to make sure it's a good product. In the past, you might pay $15 and feel completely ripped off by the album you just bought. That no longer exists, and many people who download don't even bother buying so that causes even more harm to sales in the industry.
Someone in this thread said that GN'R needs to put out music that is ground-breaking in order to reach the heights of old GN'R in sales. All I'll say is CD could be the best album ever made and it won't come anywhere near Appetite numbers or even UYI1 or UYI2. Hell, the Beatles couldn't get an album to sell 15 million copies in today's time. It's just the way of the world now. If you sell 2 million you're doing very good. 3-4 million is the new 10 million in my opinion.
#4232 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Movie You've Seen » 952 weeks ago
Ok. I watched the second Pirates movie just now and it seemed like a really long commercial for the third one. Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong. It was a cliffhanger cash grab even though it didn't need to be. The movie made almost $1.1 billion worldwide and would have made that much regardless of the obvious attempt to drag people back for the third movie, which made $960 million.
As for the question of this thread, I watched the Zodiac HD DVD last night and today. It has over 6 hours of high def content. The movie is 2 hours, 42 minutes and looks GREAT in high def. And then there's the special features. There is a 1 hour, 42 minute long documentary with interviews from the policemen, dispatchers, surviving victims, and other experts on the case to paint a picture of each of the commonly attributed Zodiac crimes. Then there is a 41 minute documentary on the prime suspect Arthur Leigh Allen. Then there's a 55 minute documentary on the production of the film. And there's a 15 minute featurette on the CGI that is used in the film -- I had no idea that they used so much CGI. It looks very realistic in the movie itself (mostly buildings and background type stuff, as well as some blood during the shootings/stabbings). All of those features are in high def. It's a hell of a package and I didn't even have to pay for it (used a Best Buy gift card to pay for it).
#4233 Re: The Sunset Strip » No Country for Old Men- Watch it here!! » 952 weeks ago
Awesome, thanks for posting it. I saw this in the theater and thought it kicked ass. Will likely buy it on DVD or possibly Blu-ray.
#4234 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash talks new book, Velvet Revolver plans » 952 weeks ago
Poor Neemo. Gettin' abused by the females in his life. 
#4235 Re: The Sunset Strip » Blu-Ray or HD-DVD? » 952 weeks ago
Yeah, I can't wait. This is the main reason I wanted the PS3. Can you imagine what potential exists for a game like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, strategic war games (etc)? I think Heavenly Sword may be one of the games using that much capacity. Have you seen the shots for the upcoming Gran Tourismo installment? It takes realism to a level never obtained previously. This game could seal the deal for literally thousands of people who have held off buying a PS3 until this point.
No, I haven't seen any screenshots on it. I had a couple of GT games on the PS1 and PS2. I'm not much of a gamer anymore though. Spend way too much time goofing off on forums like this. 
I mainly like sports games and racing games would fit into that category for me although I would consider myself a very casual racing gamer. Let's just say I'm the type that doesn't mind getting the cheat codes and then pimping out the cars just for the fuck of it. Like 10,000 horsepower. The car can't even get going because the tires just keep spinning!
I'm either going to get a PS3 or hopefully a combo player so that I can put my HD DVD player into storage and always have a backup ready. Still waiting for combo prices to come down though. Toshiba will likely make some affordable combo units once they give up and join the BDA.
#4236 Re: The Sunset Strip » Blu-Ray or HD-DVD? » 952 weeks ago
18 hours? Wow. That's where it comes in handy for TV shows and such, and as I mentioned, 2 or even 3 disc "special editions" on just a single disc unlike DVD.
Speaking of gaming, I saw somewhere that there's already a PS3 game that uses 40+ gigs of a BD-50. I think it was Heavenly Sword perhaps? There's definitely some huge potential with 200+ gig discs.
#4237 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash talks new book, Velvet Revolver plans » 952 weeks ago
From reading Slash's book, it pretty much confirms all the things we've read about for years regarding Axl's temper and his personality. Slash describes him as a complicated person and it also seems that Axl isn't as laid back as Slash or Duff so he tends to explode on people when he probably shouldn't. Slash has been pretty respectful towards Axl in recent years, as someone mentioned, even going so far as defending Axl when people take cheap shots.
#4238 Re: Guns N' Roses » So what are we looking at this year in terms of release? » 952 weeks ago
Gotta admit that I only read the title of this thread but all I've got to say is:
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#4239 Re: The Sunset Strip » Blu-Ray or HD-DVD? » 952 weeks ago
^Yeah i was a little tired last night. LOL. I realised this morning you can downmix the sound to regular DTS or Dolby...so i can tollerate a downmix to 5.1 - i was getting scared about having 2.0...lol.
However it does seem the players in Australia all suck in terms of on audio or something else. Check out this guide I have from another forum i'm in.
Tell me which of these players is anygood...they all either have crap audio, or good audio and some other issue.
I would just wait a bit if I were you. A lot of the current Blu-ray players can't perform PIP and will not be upgradeable. The PS3 will, but it is not the best option if you need something other than HDMI for your audio setup. The players announced at CES are going to have lower prices than the current generation, plus PIP playback, plus faster load times, plus all the audio options you need compared to what the PS3 offers. Some of them are expected to be released during the first half of this year so it's not too long of a wait.
#4240 Re: The Sunset Strip » Blu-Ray or HD-DVD? » 952 weeks ago
tejastech08 wrote:Gunslinger wrote:Noboby "told me" I have worked in electronics (until recently due to a family sickness) for years. I worked closely with the industry leaders and I know my shit. However I did not mean FIFTEEEN times but FIVE times (even then I was being modest considering it is actually closer to 7x). Plans are to have a 250 gig Blu Ray discs out by the end of this year and TDK had already made a prototype near the end of 2006 that could store 200 gigs. The potential is one huge reason Blu Ray is winning.
Here's the article: http://www.betanews.com/article/TDK_Dev … 1157125164That is not likely to be used for movies but rather for data storage. And it's not the current spec so you shouldn't have said that it can do it because it currently can't. Not sure where you're getting the 7x number either. HD DVD confirmed a spec for a 51 gig disc in December. It will never see the light of day because HD DVD has already lost the war and will be discontinued sometime in the near future. At any rate, 250/50 = 5 times.
It is likely to be used for many things, optical media is not limited to the storage of data. 200 GBs is what is being developed right now and therefore is relative to the conversation when comparing the two competing formats. The point of this thread was Blu-ray or HD-DVD and some people didn't know much about the formats and were asking for some info. I have been in the industry over ten years and I'd be glad to put my credentials and acheievements, training and knowledge up against yours...anytime. I have worked as a Tech, a company rep and a trainer in a high-end electronics company and have worked closely with the leaders in the business. My point is I don't go running my mouth regarding a subject I don't know anything about. I'm not saying you are ignorant toward this industry either (you are obviously informed relatively well) but it is your rude approach to me that warrants this sort of response. There was absolutely nothing wrong with calling me on a type-o of 15 rather than 5 (it's in the best interest for everyone involved) but the "who the fuck told you" shit doesn't work with me. This is a friendly forum with the sense of a community who likes to hang out and share common interests, not one that is to seek out rivalries for your pasttime. And the smartass answer about 250/50 = 5 is another example of you being rude and another example of your desire to promote an angry response. The 7x came from YOUR statement " A dual layer HD DVD is 30 gigs." And 200/30 when rounded up to the nearest whole number is 7. Now if you would rather continue to antagonize members making enemies rather than to make friends feel free to do so. I have better things to do.
Sorry for being rude.
I was just trying to get the facts straight, not be a "smartass" about the 7x thing. I honestly had no idea where you were getting that number from. But now you explained how, so thank you. You compared a prototype with an actual disc that is currently sold. In my opinion, you cannot compare the two unless you compare prototype with prototype or official spec with official spec. The official specs for the two formats are:
single layer Blu-ray: 25 gigs
dual layer Blu-ray: 50 gigs
single layer HD DVD: 15 gigs
dual layer HD DVD: 30 gigs
Blu-ray has won the war so it doesn't matter, but those are the facts as they currently stand. I think the 200 gig or higher discs will be useful for TV series, but for most movies they will stick with BD-50 or perhaps BD-75/BD-100 if and when either of those are implemented. BD-50 is already plenty of space for pretty much any movie. But I suppose if the studios want to only have one disc for a "two disc special edition" type release, then a 75 or 100 gig disc would come in handy. The future is much brighter with Blu-ray than it was with DVD. The challenge will be convincing the public to buy into it. I think they need to stop making upconverting DVD players because upconverted DVD looks "good enough" for a lot of people in the general public. If they could show off the true difference between high def and DVD quality, it would be an obvious upgrade for pretty much anyone with a HDTV.
