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#4241 Re: The Garden » Palin Power » 887 weeks ago
Perhaps...but I'll quote Georgie boy from when the election results came in late 2000; We're doing good in a lot of states we thought we wouldn't.
We all know who actually won, and that he didn't wind up in the White House.
Point is, McCain may be looking good among the voters, but Obama is the one looking the best among the elite. Like, elections have been fixed before...
#4242 Re: The Garden » Democrats’ latest idea: gas stamps » 887 weeks ago
How about just LOWERING THE FUCKING PRICES?
Or is that too hard for the most powerful country in the world? No, it's cause America is making money off of that high gas.
The U.S. is not a dictatorship, officially, so you simply can't do that.
Oil is high for many reasons. A ban on drilling the domestic fields that are actually left, inflation due to ridiculous spending and public lending, price manipulation by the Opec cartel and no doubt the oil companies themselves (Exxon makes 15 billion, record, net profits in the first quarter of 2008...) and of course a legislative dependent on these criminals. Not to mention a drugged down majority of the voting populace not knowing or giving a shit.
So there's not much 'just' about it.
#4243 Re: The Garden » Democrats’ latest idea: gas stamps » 887 weeks ago
Your politicians are implementing social programs even the Norwegian government would have had trouble selling. And we're cheek in eye called 'the last soviet state'.
What's going on?
#4244 Re: The Garden » World Trade Center Bombing (1993) » 887 weeks ago
I believe the conspirators are selfish and resourceful enough to calculate doomsday scenarios out of their equations.
The mistake was the reliance on amateur patsies, and only that. Quite a poor job to be honest. Luckily for them the media and the D.A once more had no interest at all in exposing what was in the very least gross government misconduct.
They got it right 2 years later. This time a domestical terrorist. Deep military connections, as usual. The ultimate effect was no doubt disappointing to the plotters, but at least they got some stair legislation through.
Again in the late 90s with Cole and the embassy, until they hit the jackpot and came full circle with another WTC attack. The dry politicians mugs were unrecognizable as they stood tripping like school children as George II signed the Patriot acts and took Americas freedoms away for ever. The playing field is now open, as they say.
It's not doomsday. That's just what they want us think. Last year it was global warming, and just this week we had the Hadron Collider (which if possible of creating doomsday wont do so until a month from now when they reach the necessary acceleration and start doing the actual experiment).
A new world order. A world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful, and we will be...
-George H.W. Bush
George Bush said, which is a phrase I use much myself, we need a new world order.
-Bill Clinton
In this century Americans and Europeans will be required to do more, not less. Partnership and cooperation among nations is not a choice.
-Barack H. Obama
We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beal. The world is a business, Mr. Beal, and it has been since man crawled out of the slime.
Our children will live, Mr. Beal, to see that...perfect world in which there is no war and famine, oppression or brutality.
One vast and ecumenical holding company for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.
-Mr. Jensen, Network.
Perfect? I don't know about that. To them perhaps.
#4245 The Garden » World Trade Center Bombing (1993) » 887 weeks ago
- polluxlm
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New York Times, Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1
"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"
By Ralph Blumenthal
Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.
The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.
The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court [on charges of involvement] in that attack.
Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I.
Supervisor `Messed It Up'
After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an undated transcript of a conversation from that period, Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said, "came and messed it up."
"He requested to meet me in the hotel," Mr. Salem says of the supervisor.
"He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."
The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by an agent identified as John Anticev.
Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,
"He said, I don't think that the New York people would like the things out of the New York Office to go to Washington, D.C."
Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it, saying of the `New York people':
"Well, of course not, because they don't want to get their butts chewed."
Additional transcripts
FBI Special Agent John Anticev: But, uh, basically nothing has changed. I'm just telling you for my own sake that nothing, that this isn't a salary, that it's'”you know. But you got paid regularly for good information. I mean the expenses were a little bit out of the ordinary and it was really questioned. Don't tell Nancy I told you this. [Nancy Floyd is another FBI Special Agent who worked with Emad A. Salem in his informant capacity.]
FBI undercover agent Emad A. Salem: Well, I have to tell her of course.
Anticev: Well then, if you have to, you have to.
Salem: Yeah, I mean because the lady was being honest and I was being honest and everything was submitted with a receipt and now it's questionable.
Anticev: It's not questionable, it's like a little out of the ordinary.
Salem: Okay. Alright. I don't think it was. If that's what you think guys, fine, but I don't think that because we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the D.A. and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful, great case!
Anticev: Well.
Salem: And then he put his head in the sand and said "Oh, no, no, that's not true, he is son of a bitch." [Deep breath.] Okay. It's built with a different way in another place and that's it.
Anticev: No, don't make any rash decisions. I'm just trying to be as honest with you as I can.
Salem: Of course, I appreciate that.
Anticev: And as far as the payments go, and everything like that, they're there. I guarantee you that they are there.
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FBI Confidential Informant Emad A. Salem: [Have] you ever verified information and you find me falsifying any information to the Bureau?
FBI Special Agent John Anticev: Falsify? No. No.
Salem: No. Alright. So, every single information I supplied, it's very excellent and correct.
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Salem: Nobody asked me to work till midnight. I leave at 9 and come back at midnight, to get some sleep and get up next morning to...to get exposed to people who's trying to...like an hour today with this reporter trying to just grab something out of my teeth, and I gotta think if it's tied to the bureau, it's gotta be a certain level, not too high...it shouldn't be...and I gotta cover up my back with people being happy about what I'm saying...
Anticev: Yeah, I feel the same way right now, trying to make everybody happy.
Anticev: I don't know how else to say it...I want you to keep doing what you're doing, not only...forget about one supervisor, or one asac or whatever. We're doing this for higher reasons. We know what we're doing, and we know what it's going to mean in the future. Forget about bureaucrats. Forget about them, they come and go. Ok?
Salem: Ok
Anticev: We know what we're doing and we'll at least be able to look at each other and say "We tried the best we could". You know, not for the government. The government is a very, you know uh uh what do you call it...unidentifiable thing. You know, it's a...it's not a...often it's one person affecting you. Other times there are some bureaucratic...things. But we'll still know what we did, and we're not gonna leave you out on the cold on funding, payments and you know...and that's that.
Salem: Ok, ok.
Audio: http://nwo.media.xs2.net/tape/SalemWBAI.mp3
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After the bombing, Salem anguished to one FBI agent, 'You were informed. Everything is ready. The day and the time. Boom. Lock them up and that's that. That's why I feel so bad.' On another tape, Salem asked an FBI agent, 'Do you deny your supervisor is the main reason of bombing the World Trade Center?' The agent did not deny Salem's charge.
#4246 Re: The Garden » Sarah Palin has no clue about Economics » 887 weeks ago
How can you blame her? Two private firms doing business, but if the shit hits the fan the government will bail you out?
What is that exactly?
But yeah, it'll definitely not be McCain or Palin making the economic decisions if they make the White House. That will be left with the cronies of J. Pierpont.
#4247 Re: The Garden » How Obama Blew It » 887 weeks ago
Only the voting machine can save him now...
#4248 Re: The Garden » Sarah Palin: The Next Ronald Reagan? » 887 weeks ago
Reagan deficits were sustainable. The country was booming. The only people complaining in the 80's were the liberals, and they actually had nothing to complain about.
Reagan tripled the debt. In percentage of GDP it went from 25 to over 40. The highest since WWII.
Sustainable? It was then, but in the long run you'll never achieve stability with a spiraling debt. Reagan lucked out that his 'free' money stimulated the economy enough to cover his extravagant federal spending. Clinton was even luckier. Cold war over, new market in Russia, new technologies, befriending China, the world loves America etc.
Well guess what, the economic boost is over. The social programs implemented by these guys however, they are still here. Same goes with the interest paid on this huge debt.
#4249 Re: The Garden » Sarah Palin: The Next Ronald Reagan? » 888 weeks ago
Michael Reagan seems to be a good guy with a very smart and intelligent grasp on politics.
You mean when he's not on the air, soliciting murder on activists?
As to her being another Reagan. More spending, higher deficits? I hope not for your sake.
#4250 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash talks about Chinese Democracy and Axl ! » 888 weeks ago
From chidem.com
To tell you the truth: I already listened to it. At first I thought that I would never listen to it until it's released, but someone handed it to me and I was in my car and I was like 'Okay, let's give it a try.' So I listened to it: It's a really good record. It's very different from what the original Guns'n'Roses sounded like, but it's a great statement by Axl. Now you understand where he was heading all this time. It's a record that the original Guns N'Roses could never possibly make. And at the same time it just shows you how brilliant Axl is. So it was a relief for me to actually hear it.
The man speaking here has heard a full cohesive and in his opinion good record. Let's face it, the 9 leaks ain't that.
Wow. Copies of the album are in circulation. That's much more interesting than tirades against Slash.
I smell leaks in the air.....
yeah..
