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#431 Re: Guns N' Roses » what are we disappointed with? » 863 weeks ago
I am disappointed in the promotion, in Axl for not stepping up and standing for what he created, for the lack of a functioning band, and for all parties (from UMG to BB to Azoff/Gould) for taking their upfront money and phoning the rest in.
The music has been incredible.
#432 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:buzzsaw wrote:There is no single to get people hooked. Doesn't logic have to enter into your thought process at some point? People that love the album admit there is no killer single on it. Think about that for awhile.
Personally I think Better is a very good single. Unfortunately, it hasn't had the same push from UMG which CD did. But I do agree that, pound for pound, this album requires digestion in order to appreciate. However, I do not agree the material is not marketable or lacking enough quality to sell. In fact, I think it is quite good.
"I think Better is a very good single" + "this album requires digestion in order to appreciate" = no killer single that will get people interested. It's simple math.
Not at all. Better is a very good gateway single to get people interested in the album.
Personally, the more I listen to the entire album, the more I appreciate it.
Marketing is all about hooking people into buying. There are singles to get people interested.
#433 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
There is no single to get people hooked. Doesn't logic have to enter into your thought process at some point? People that love the album admit there is no killer single on it. Think about that for awhile.
Personally I think Better is a very good single. Unfortunately, it hasn't had the same push from UMG which CD did. But I do agree that, pound for pound, this album requires digestion in order to appreciate. However, I do not agree the material is not marketable or lacking enough quality to sell. In fact, I think it is quite strong.
#434 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:Wow, you sure speak for a lot of people. Some fans may be 'delusional' but others just want Axl to fail. But as to your greater point, relatively speaking, you seem to place music fans in far too many individual categories. A great many people enjoy many genres of music and can appreciate within the context of a single work, the variety of texture. In addition, when it comes to historically well known bands, music fans have ability to set aside trendy daliances and enjoy the classical sound as well as variations from that formula. Music is very subjective and critics run into trouble when they attempt to lump large groups of people into very limited categories.
You are so ridiculous. Get over thsi psuedo intellectual crap you keep pulling. You sound like an ass. Take a step back Killingvector and comprehend what I'm saying. Are you not speakingf or alot of people as well. You seem to be speaking for the entire population who will undoubtedly love the album if only they give it a chance. Stop being such a hypocrit. I mean seriously you can speak for the mases yet I can't.
As for lumping music fans into genres again man pull your head out. It's a generalization. I'm makinga point that the album doesn't appeal to a wide range of people in mass. I'm not saying Hip Hop fans will only like hip hop. I'm not saying Rock fans only like rock. Seriously dude stop responding to my posts unless you're gonn attempt to comprehend what I'm saying. Like I said you just sound like an ass.
Considering the spelling, grammar, and reasoning errors in your above post, I'll let others decide which post reads like 'crap'.
My point again is that you cannot make the case that this album does not appeal to enough people when your argument is littered with subjective judgments on the quality of the album itself such as 'mediocre ballad' in reference to This I Love.
I get it, you don't like the album. But why do you insist on explaining why millions of others don't like it either? Many people impulse buy music once they have been hooked onto a single track. Others simply will never look for a piece of music if they haven't had their attention grabbed by any part of it. There are far too many other factors at play here than simply: the music stinks, the people have spoken. Such reasoning is beyond simplistic, it's laughable. You can break down any underselling album by generic themes and make that same case regardless of reality.
#435 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
http://www.undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=7118
In the United States, an exclusive deal was done with the Best Buy chain to purchase 1.5 million units in advance for $9 per unit. It is only over halfway to Gold Stateside.
What a brilliant deal. Considering Axl is reported to have spent $14m making the album, Best Buy have paid off his debt. Best Buy have 1.2 million unsold CDs sitting around in the warehouse. That's not Axl's problem. He has the cheque.
#436 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:James Lofton wrote:Are we sure about this? I don't remember any statements regarding GNR's status with Uni. Are you basing that on info from the old lawsuits? If so, you've got a great memory.
Count the albums. CD would be the last one of their initial deal with UMG.
The BB deal will net UMG about $13-14 million with a minimum of 1.4 million nonreturnable units. Anything more than that is profit and clears the debt left behind by CD.
well the deal was supposedly 700,000 up front...what if those were the unreturnables?
and the other half were a conditional sale?
700,000 x $9 = $6,300,000 which obviously is only half the debt
I believe the deal was just under 3 million, with 1.4 million unreturnables or at least that is the rumored deal based on what AC DC got.
#437 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
killingvector wrote:Their contract is up, the CD debt has been recouped,
Are we sure about this? I don't remember any statements regarding GNR's status with Uni. Are you basing that on info from the old lawsuits? If so, you've got a great memory.
Count the albums. CD would be the last one of their initial deal with UMG.
The BB deal will net UMG about $13-14 million with a minimum of 1.4 million nonreturnable units. Anything more than that is profit and clears the debt left behind by CD.
#438 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
Here is the press release
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stori … 478&EDATE=
No mention AT ALL of an extension of their record deal.
#439 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
I am sure Universal has heard the 10 songs Izzy and Duff wrote in 1995, along with the 12 songs Slash, Duff, and Izzy wrote in 2003, not to mention the stuff Axl and Izzy wrote in 1994, and the stuff Duff, Axl, Slash and Matt wrote in 94-96.
UMG just renewed their contract with GNR, and CD exclusive was part of the deal, as were publishing rights with Duff and Slash.
Not sure you are right about that, but if you have the announcement of the new deal, I"ll look at it.
EDIT: I don't see an announcement of an extension of the recording contract anywhere.
The BB exclusive paid off the $13 million in CD debt. As for the status of the old recordings, my understanding is that they locked in the Vault. I would expect a legal battle could ensue if GnR is not under contract with UMG and bolts to a new label.
#440 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 863 weeks ago
Their contract is up, the CD debt has been recouped, and the fact that Axl has gone AWOL at this critical juncture may not bode for a re-up on their contract.
I seriously believe Axl is trying to scuttle the profitability of this record as a form of spite
