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#451 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 254 weeks ago
Stumbled upon these two at this late hour
WHO be lyin'
https://www.independent.ie/videos/virus … 37695.html
https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1288107123050569728
Revelation from BBC medical corr @deb_cohen 'We had been told by various sources WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying. This point was put to WHO who did not deny'. So much for WHO's new pro-muzzle 'advice'.
— Peter Hitchens (@ClarkeMicah) July 14, 2020
#452 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 254 weeks ago
The latest report from the largely inept buffoons at the WHO indicate an IFR of 0.6%.
This number was originally reported in mid-March in an scientific article.
Current theories regarding effective herd immunity (EFR/EHI) rate the virus as much more benign than originally expected with 50-80% being more or less immune. This comes from latest discussions regarding T-Cell immunity, proximal exposure to other coronaviruses, and absence of important risk factors.
I've similarly heard estimates of the final IFR eventually being down in the range of 0.1 to 0.3%.
The big boom in deaths are the aforementioned aged population with sizable risk factors and likely could've been saved or at least mitigated if it weren't for horrid policies from Whitmer, Newsom, and Cuomo, et. al.
The U.S. Population believe the mortality rate is 9% in a poll of 1,000 people.
If they are this wrong about the basics of the virus, what else are they wrong about?
The propaganda and fear porn from the mainstream media continues.
#453 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 254 weeks ago
#454 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 254 weeks ago
Buzz, these people think Russia hacked the election in favor of Trump.
There's no helping them.
No serious intellectual or person who follows this, even those on the far left, thinks this happened.
They of course miss the forest through the trees, can't smell their own shit on their knees, missing the fact that the US has interfered with countless elections, invaded countless countries, deposed leaders, killed millions, etc.
#455 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 254 weeks ago
The entire point of my posts and the discussion has been to examine the *actual science* regarding the coronavirus of which covid-19 is one and the *actual science* of mask efficacy, not just anecdotes, so-called "science" without evidence, or appeals to authority.
Without the crucial evidence from actual scientific studies, we're all pulling our pud, which is why I cited a handful of journals with RCT from reliable sources on ILIs (influenza-like-infections/illnesses). NJEM, Stanford, and Oxford scientists of all stripes have come to the same conclusions. And all parties involved know that the critical period of conducting the best RCTs was in February or March when the virus was most potent.
You can point to Florida, New York, Texas, and Georgia but that doesn't reflexively validate your hypothesis (and operating assumption) regarding mask efficacy. These are disparate populations with different constants and different variables, i.e.: demographics, population density, etc. which you summarized as "talking points" on the previous page. For example, New York is a hotbed of both international and intra-city travel, extremely dense, has the most diverse population in the country, etc., whereas the others are not. Could masks have something to do with it? Sure. Which brings us back to the science.
Anecdote: My state has single-digit deaths for the past 2.5 months but despite mandatory masking in stores and shops, people are going out to restaurants mask-free outdoors, going to the driving range amongst medium sized crowds, we had a hugely publicized public party of young people which our Governor felt okay to mock, and some relatively sizable BLM protests, which incidentally our Governor chose to ignore. (Why didn't we see case/death increases here?)
After 6 months of covid-19, as I mentioned on the previous page, it's lethal to the 60+ population in overwhelming numbers. So the 2nd part of my statement is validated. We've no idea of the number of people who are or were previously asymptomatic or non-symptomatic. The virus seems to fit seasonal theory far more than pandemic theory, namely various populations could get their dose as the seasons change with humidity and temperature.
Furthermore, if masks merely diminish transmission, it stands to reason it is still transmitting and will continue to do so, unless the critical shedding period has passed. So will all people contract the virus eventually? Perhaps that's hyperbolic. But certainly more will do so. And if we go with the seasonal theory of the virus opposed to the pandemic theory which many accept and you've even cited on the last page, we're in for another round at minimum.
But that's a large part of my criticism of not just masks but the virus itself: people are saying we know when we really don't know.
#456 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 254 weeks ago
"Hello smart people"
lmao
"They'll know more now months from now than they did from months ago"
How is 3 decades of science saying masks aren't ineffective invalidated by covid?
"Masks are like condoms and umbrellas"
Stupid.
One, you have a choice to use those or not at your peril or minor inconvenience.
Two, a condom is not like an umbrella from a consequentialist standpoint.
But if we're going to make like-to-like comparisons, let's go back to comparing COVID to other ILIs.
"Droplets"
No where did he mention expelled air / airborne particles.
But to play the devil's advocate: no mask-supporter who has made a cursory glance at scientific studies say masks are wholly effective, they recommend a holistic approach namely masks+social distancing+handwashing. Immunologists, physicists, and epidemiologists all mention that air travel path as an attack vector is much more serious than expelled droplets, for example. And the most ardent pro-mask people have no answer for this because in short, regardless of what you do, you'll contract the virus eventually and for most people, that's not an issue.
#457 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 254 weeks ago
Ignore all my questions, points, and scientific studies and post smarmy YouTube video.
Got it.
#458 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 254 weeks ago
The constant moving of goalposts sure is amusing, as usual.
Elaborate, please?
#459 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 254 weeks ago
Bingo. Other countries with less wealth seem to have handled/curbed the spread of this a lot better than we have. Cases are STILL INCREASING in this country while most other countries they seem to have stabilized. Not real difficult to understand why.
Of course for some here, it is.
Cases are increasing because testing is increasing.
"Cases" is also irrelevant. What kind of cases? Hospitalizations required? Benign symptoms or severe symptoms?
Back to the mask debate: masks have been mandatory for months, yet cases are still increasing?
Deaths in my state have flatlined and have remained consistently low for months.
Outside of ~5 states, daily deaths are in the single digits.
Please, Slashsfro, more expert analysis. We need it.
#460 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 254 weeks ago
I mean, masks work.
Masks work because masks work because masks work.
Masks work because masks work because masks work.
Masks work because masks work because masks work.
Also, it 'might' have been removed because there's a difference between a dentist catching any old virus 10 years ago, versus the chances of catching Covid-19, its been known to spread rapidly even going back to the Wuhan days.
How do ILIs differ from Covid-19, an ILI?
Furthermore, if it is a stronger virus than typical ILIs, wouldn't that (A) diminish the efficacy of masks vs. a stronger virus or (B) more clearly show the efficacy of masks?
I'm not married to that particular article even though it's a great example of long-term exposure in a closed environment.
But you didn't read the article anyway.
Secondly, where do you read that masks are only "6% effective"?? Everything I've seen says its upwards of 50%,
"The MSM told me a % and I believed it without questioning it and without ever reading any actual scientific study".
But the truth is, neither did they.
The 6% line comes from a journal on pre-Covid ILIs regarding the efficacy of N95 masks.
Others have said 4% with an error of +/- 8%.
Where is this talk about the CDC & WHO didn't advise wearing one until June??
The CDC and the WHO didn’t recommend masks for the general public until mid-to-late May.
Nice reading comprehension. Truly amazing.
The CDC didn't recommend them until the beginning of April I was off on that one.
The WHO didn't change their policy until June. Late bloomers on that one. And they recommend fabric masks. lolllllll. In and around the CDCs change of policy, they were still sticking to the "medical professionals only" line.
Mandatory recommendations state-to-state have been variable.
China, Italy, Spain, Germany and every country was wearing masks in February.
*cough* bullshit *cough*
Besides that, how do you explain Sweden, Mr. Mask Lover?
The Netherlands are gonna be fun to watch over the next couple months.
Third, you quoted "(and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes)" of conversation within 6 feet of each other is whats needed for it to spread? Do you honestly believe this? There's 5 million people who've tested positive for it. Do you think there's been 5 million people holding conversations for 10 minutes straight within 6 feet of each other in the middle of a pandemic?
"Am I out of touch? No it is the children New England Journal of Medicine who is wrong"
There shouldn't be a controversy over it, and if your just gonna google stuff about it rather than think.
Yeah, that's what I'm doing dipshit! Just googling shit! Because I love Trump soooooooo much!
There's 5 million people who've tested positive for it.
Doesn't sound like a pandemic to me. On account of the extremely low infant and youth deaths, it just sounds like a dramatically mismanaged virus from all authorities involved, i.e. intermixing of patients in hospital without quarantine, in combination with misattribution of typical post-winter mortalities.
