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#41 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses at du Arena, Abu Dhabi UAE March 28th 2013 » 666 weeks ago

Ali
misterID wrote:
monkeychow wrote:

^ Really? For my taste Sorry is the worst song on CD - although bucket does play a sweet solo in it.

Anyway...I'm not saying it's impossible for him to write a classic rock song...i'm saying the usual premise around here is that bucket needs to be brought back because he's the writing machine Axl needs....and I don't see anything to support that he'd be a king GNR writer in either his solo catalogue or his time in GNR.

I like his parts on CD, but there's no reason the current guys couldn't make just as impressive songs. Bottom line is buckethead is under-used on CD....there's no soothsayer moment....if you're looking for a bucket best of you won't be loading his GNR tracks.....so I don't understand the way the fan base begs for him back.

The only weak part of Sorry was Axl's lyrics. I don't think the song fit the album, but yeah, I dig it. It's one of my favorite musical moments in all of GNR's catalog. So is "If The World."

I never expected or wanted Bucket to bring his solo work into GN'R. Two completely different beasts, and imo, he fit the band with that line up perfectly. I loved what he did on the old songs, love his new work.

It's been noted that Bucket did write a lot for GN'R. Being a writing machine doesn't matter, or at least isn't the reason I want to see him back. I've heard the band post Bucket, I've heard Ron playing over his spots on the CD. I prefer Bucket. I think that goes for a lot of people who want him back.

I love Bucket's work on "Sorry" and "If The World" tremendously.  For me, "Sorry" is one of my favorites on the album, especially because of the unbridled venom in Axl's lyrics.  I've always thought that the lines, "
The truth is the truth hurts, don't you agree?/It's harder to live with the truth about you, than to live with lies about me" is some of Axl's best lyrical work ever.

Ali

#42 Re: Guns N' Roses » Gn'R Live In London Sat. March 2nd VH1 » 670 weeks ago

Ali

I think that's a fair assessment of the London show from what I've heard of the audio rip.  But, I disagree with the assessment of the 2011 LA Great Western Forum show.  I was at the show and have listened to the YouTube clips several times after, and still enjoy it quite a bit.

Ali

#43 Re: Guns N' Roses » Gn'R Live In London Sat. March 2nd VH1 » 670 weeks ago

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Smoking Guns wrote:

WTTJ, It's So Easy, Brownstone seem to have some moments in question where his mouth doesn't match with vocals and where he sounds strong as fuck at times, like live era strong.  End of Brownstone he starts to get weaker.  You could be mine, this may have even more mysterious camera work than wttj and its so easy...  When camera is on him, he is pure Micky mouse. His weakness on this song make me suspicious of ISE and WTTJ. However by the end of YCBM, he is Much stronger, and that final scream sounds like a totally different voice than the 4 minutes leading up to that. And notice, camera wasn't on him for that scream.

SCOM, another iconic song, Axl is hardly filmed from the front. His voice is very similar to the 1999 live era overdub voice. When filmed from front, it's very, very brief. He is stronger here than YCBM.  I can hear DJ in the scom solo though. But at the end of the song Axl sounds his worse.

Conclusion, at times he sounds awesome. At times not great. Do I know if he over dubbed?  No. But the first 3-4 songs sound nothing like the rest, but SCOM did magically get better. Just odd.

All due respect SG, what you describe could just be a matter of hitting his stride during certain songs in the set, or choosing to sing with different tones or more in his head voice during certain songs in the set, and getting sufficient breath support at some points during a particular song (YCBM) rather than at others.

Ali

#44 Re: Guns N' Roses » Gn'R Live In London Sat. March 2nd VH1 » 670 weeks ago

Ali
smoke wrote:

Have you watched it yet, Ali? I'm telling you, it's weird in spots.

Indeed I have.  But, I'm not speaking as to the weirdness of the video editing.  I'm not disputing that.  I have been listening to the audio from this show for days, along with the Tokyo 2012 bootleg, the Glasgow 2012 bootleg and a couple of 2011 shows.  I'm just saying I don't hear a significant difference in vocal tone, breath support or phrasing that would suggest overdubs.  What I've observed is on record, Axl's phrasing is different than live.  His inserts more breaths live than he does on record/in the studio, breaking up phrases more.  He's always done that.  It seems consistent among these shows.  I'm not hearing any significant difference in tone either, other than some occasions he has a more raspy tone than others.

Ali

#45 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose: the extended interview (Adelaide Now) » 670 weeks ago

Ali
johndivney wrote:

completely disingenuous attempt at an apology that
as is the notion they made a 'concerted effort' to make it up to the fans in cities where he fucked the concert up or things have gotten 'complicated'. by making it up to the fans his idea is charging them another $70/$80 for a ticket. deluded horseshit is what he's spewing.

Touring is a significant income stream for these guys.  It's how they make money, through ticket and merchandise sales.  Rarely is that not the case, other than a benefit show.  Other than a make-up for a show that was recently cancelled in a comparable venue, I don't see any other path towards making this up to the fans in areas like Montreal, Philly and Atlanta considering the gaps in time.

Ali

#46 Re: Guns N' Roses » Gn'R Live In London Sat. March 2nd VH1 » 670 weeks ago

Ali
smoke wrote:
faldor wrote:
RussTCB wrote:

I agree. I haven't watched the whole thing yet. Is it the same with DJ through the whole show? NR, SCoM and all? The only reason I ask is because if those songs are right, it could support my theory. The mastering guy might know where the solos are in those but not CD or Brownstone.

It's funny.  I remember watching the whole show when it was on youtube and it struck me that DJ wasn't getting much face time on the video.  At least it seemed that way to me, there was a lot more shots of Ron and Richard, and not much DJ.  Not sure why that would be, or again, I may have just zoned out when he was on camera or I was mistaken.  I didn't notice his sound being buried as much as his image on a whole.

Either way, I doubt DJ's sound or appearance are the reason the concert isn't being aired.  That would be way too simple.

I kind of thought the amount of bouncing around in the video edit bordered on manic. At points, I couldn't decide if it was done to drum up a feeling of energy. And at other times, it seemed like it was done to make vocal overdubs easier.

In listening to some recent bootlegs, like Tokyo 2012, Dublin 2012 in conjunction with the bootleg of this London show, I don't hear anything that suggests vocal overdubs.  I don't hear a significant enough difference in the vocals or vocal phrasing to suggest that. 

Ali

#47 Re: Guns N' Roses » Gn'R Live In London Sat. March 2nd VH1 » 670 weeks ago

Ali

A little more from Eddie Trunk on the issue:

http://eddietrunk.com/35-headed-to-vegas-tms-rush-more/

The Guns n Roses special scheduled for this weekend which featured the full O2 show from last year has been cancelled due to a contract issue with clearing it. Legal stuff I have nothing to do with. The video block I hosted may still air at some point but the concert will not. Sorry but a network issue/decisions, not me.

Ali

#48 Re: Guns N' Roses » Gn'R Live In London Sat. March 2nd VH1 » 670 weeks ago

Ali
faldor wrote:

I don't get why it was alright to air the 90 minute version on VH1 but suddenly there are contractual issues precluding them from airing the full concert. Were they not pleased with the songs that VH1 chose to air? Not enough CD songs? You would have thought those things would have been worked out. And you would think they would have known of the quality of the broadcast before it aired too. What could possibly be the contractual issues in question?

I don't know, but perhaps VH1/Palladia could not get clearance to broadcast certain songs and elected to cancel the broadcast altogether for some reason.

Ali

#49 Re: Guns N' Roses » Gn'R Live In London Sat. March 2nd VH1 » 670 weeks ago

Ali
faldor wrote:

In case anyone was hoping for a resolution. Though I know we're all far too intelligent to think that at this point.

@EddieTrunk: “@Beca66: @EddieTrunk I keep seeing the GN'R special was cancelled on VH1c but I just set my DVR and it is there.” Trust me not airing

Another interesting tidbit from Eddie Trunk:

The GnR special Saturday was cancelled by the NETWORK, due to contractual issues clearing it for broadcast. I have NOTHING to do w/ decision

Ali

#50 Re: Management » If this place ever goes HTGTH way » 671 weeks ago

Ali
buzzsaw wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:
Bono wrote:

And by tact you mean passive aggressive insults rather than being blunt. Gotcha.


Anyways carry on.

Do you read what you actually write?  Jesus Bono - you automatically insult anybody that has the nerve to have a different opinion than yours.  It's not like you even say that's crazy - no, you go right to insulting the person.  We all (well many of us at least) do it from time to time, but you do it pretty much every single time. 

I don't mind taking subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) digs at people, but I try to avoid being flat out insulting.  People can choose to ignore sutle; it's pretty hard to ignore you when you make posts directly insulting 4 or 5 people in the same post.

Half of what I do here is just for fun.  I admit it.  It's a stress release for me.  I'm nowhere near as big of an ass in real life as I am here.  I'm actually extremely laid back and I don't really care about or get excited or upset about much of anything.  Maybe that's your thing too...I don't know.

I just want to repost this because some people may have forgotten the reality of the situation. 

I like Bono.  I agree with much of what he says and his opinions aren't that far off from mine on most things GnR related.

But...his posting style leaves a LOT to be desired.  When people like me that usually agree with what he's saying are calling him out for posting like an ass, there's probably something to it.  I've gotten into my share of scrapes with people, but even at the worst of times (at least since that porn guy the loved Robin left) my worst posts were nicer than Bono's posts where he's trying to be nice.  He's been asked over and over again not to be disruptive with his posts, but it happens over and over again.  It's not what he's saying; it's how he's saying it.  That's not good for the site.  It's not just bothering some of the leadership here; it's bothering regular posters too.  Again, I usually agree with what he's saying, but the way he says everything is just over the top rude when anyone has a different opinion.  I certainly wouldn't want to hang out with someone like that in real life and I sure the hell don't need to do it for a hobby.

You guys do whatever you think you need to do, but remember there's a price to pay for every decision.  If you think the site is better off with a loudmouth, opinionated guy that can't seem to state an opinion without offending someone ever than it is with the guy that's kept it afloat for the last 2 years, then so be it.  I'm all for free speech, but there are consequences that come along with that.  You can say whatever you want, but you're still responsible for what you say.  I can't believe there's even a decision to be made when it comes to banning one asshat poster (no matter who it is) or basically shitting on the guy that kept this place alive when it should have died a long time ago.

I agree 100% with Buzz.  My issue with discussions with Bono has never been what he says, but how he says it.

I apologize if I'm putting words into yours or anyone else's mouth, Buzz, but if Russ' announcement has something to do with Bono, then I'm puzzled to say the least.

Ali

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